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I know this isn't technically a Synchro question, but it is. Has anyone tried to install Tradewars2 in Synchro? I got it working, it just doesn't take keyboard input from either the user or the console side.. Anyone run into something like this with any doors?? Thanks in advance..

AL

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To: Al DeRosa
Re: Tradewars 2
By: Al DeRosa to All on Mon Nov 22 2021 07:35 am

I know this isn't technically a Synchro question, but it is. Has anyone tried to install Tradewars2 in Synchro? I got it working, it just doesn't take keyboard input from either the user or the console side.. Anyone run into something like this with any doors?? Thanks in advance..

I installed it a few years ago and it works fine on my BBS.

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To: Denn
On 22 Nov 2021, Denn said the following...

I installed it a few years ago and it works fine on my BBS.

... People will buy anything that's one to a customer.

Don't know what it happening with it, I will check everything again. 2002 runs fine, as does 2001, just this one has some issues with accepting key strokes...

AL

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Not sure if I mentioned it or not, but this is not the .json file, it is the original DOS version...

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To: Al DeRosa
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Al DeRosa to All on Mon Nov 22 2021 02:41 pm

Not sure if I mentioned it or not, but this is not the .json file, it is the original DOS version...

Pasting your SCFG (and any other) configuration settings here could be helpful. --
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To: Al DeRosa

I know this isn't technically a Synchro question, but it is. Has anyone tried to install Tradewars2 in Synchro? I got it working, it just
doesn't take keyboard input from either the user or the console side.. Anyone run into something like this with any doors?? Thanks in
advance..

You have to enable Console mode, as version 2 doesn't have fossil driver support. At times, it can run slow, like Complete New World, but its
playable.

Daryl

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To: Al DeRosa
Re: Tradewars 2
By: Al DeRosa to All on Mon Nov 22 2021 07:35 am

I know this isn't technically a Synchro question, but it is. Has anyone tried to install Tradewars2 in Synchro? I got it working, it just doesn't take keyboard input from either the user or the console side.. Anyone run into something like this with any doors?? Thanks in advance..

AL

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post your configuration settings.
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To: Digital Man
On 22 Nov 2021, Digital Man said the following...

Pasting your SCFG (and any other) configuration settings here could be helpful. --
digital man

The config files for the game look to be compiled after filling out the info. As for SCFG, I have the startup directory as the TW21 Directory, the startup command as tw2.exe /D /P:C:\SBBS\XTRN\TW21\door.sys
Drop File GAP door.sys and the Drop file in the startup directory.

Other then that, it is pretty straight forward.. Thanks for any info you might be able to shed..

Al

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To: MRO
On 22 Nov 2021, MRO said the following...

post your configuration settings.

Posted them in a response to DM...

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To: Daryl Stout
On 22 Nov 2021, Daryl Stout said the following...

You have to enable Console mode, as version 2 doesn't have fossil
driver support. At times, it can run slow, like Complete New World, but its playable.

Daryl

I will give it a shot, I will respond back with my findings..

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To: Al DeRosa
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Al DeRosa to Digital Man on Mon Nov 22 2021 08:27 pm

On 22 Nov 2021, Digital Man said the following...

Pasting your SCFG (and any other) configuration settings here could be helpful. --
digital man

The config files for the game look to be compiled after filling out the info. As for SCFG, I have the startup directory as the TW21 Directory, the startup command as tw2.exe /D /P:C:\SBBS\XTRN\TW21\door.sys
Drop File GAP door.sys and the Drop file in the startup directory.

Other then that, it is pretty straight forward.. Thanks for any info you might be able to shed..

There are a few other settings in SCFG for door games that are important to getting a door game to work. Copy and *pasting* (like I said), the actual settings from SCFG into a post here could be helpful.

Also, see here:
http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:door:index
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To: Daryl Stout
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Daryl Stout to Al DeRosa on Mon Nov 22 2021 01:33 pm

I know this isn't technically a Synchro question, but it is. Has anyone tried to install Tradewars2 in Synchro? I got it working, it just doesn't take keyboard input from either the user or the console side.. Anyone run into something like this with any doors?? Thanks in advance..

You have to enable Console mode, as version 2 doesn't have fossil driver support.

From the tw2.doc files I located (v11.14 and v11.20), both say "Support for FOSSIL communication drivers."

What release of TradeWars 2 are you referring to?
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To: Digital Man

Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Al DeRosa to Digital Man on Mon Nov 22 2021 08:27 pm

There are a few other settings in SCFG for door games that are important to getting a door game to work. Copy and *pasting* (like I said), the actual settings from SCFG into a post here could be helpful.

Also, see here:

Ok I give... Where in the heck is my scfg?? I have looked in every directory for a scfg.ini or anything like that, all I can find is the scfg.exe..Sorry for seeming so stupid.. Just kind of lost here..

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To: Al Derosa
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Al Derosa to Digital Man on Mon Nov 22 2021 09:22 pm

Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Al DeRosa to Digital Man on Mon Nov 22 2021 08:27 pm

There are a few other settings in SCFG for door games that are important to getting a door game to work. Copy and *pasting* (like I said), the actual settings from SCFG into a post here could be helpful.

Also, see here:

Ok I give... Where in the heck is my scfg?? I have looked in every directory for a scfg.ini or anything like that, all I can find is the scfg.exe..Sorry for seeming so stupid.. Just kind of lost here..

SCFG is the Synchronet configuration program. You can copy and paste settings from it here, like this:

Name tw2test
Internal Code TW2TEST
Start-up Directory ../xtrn/tw2_1120
Command Line tw2 /P:%f
Clean-up Command Line
Execution Cost None
Access Requirements
Execution Requirements
Multiple Concurrent Users Yes
Intercept I/O No
Native Executable/Script No
Use Shell or New Context No
Modify User Data No
Execute on Event No
Pause After Execution No
BBS Drop File Type GAP DOOR.SYS
Place Drop File In Node Directory

I tried tw2 release 11.20 and I could reproduce the issue you described (output from the door, but it would not recognize keyboard input). I tried using the tw2 /C option to force the program to use the COM/UART output (hoping for different results), but it always seemed to detect and use the FOSSIL driver automatically (and it apparently isn't happy with the Synchronet FOSSIL driver).

I also tried using it's /D (DOSIO) I/O mode, but while keyboard input worked in that case, there was not display output.

I'm exerimenting to see if I can just disable the FOSSIL driver for a specific external program in SBBS/SCFG and seeing if that'll force TW2 to then use the COM/UART (which is also virtualized in the same FOSSIL driver, but it's a different interface to the program) and see if I get different results. I'm gusesing it's just a bug in the tw2 FOSSIL support, but don't know for sure yet. I'll get back to ya.
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To: Al DeRosa
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Al DeRosa to Digital Man on Mon Nov 22 2021 08:27 pm

The config files for the game look to be compiled after filling out the info. As for SCFG, I have the startup directory as the TW21 Directory, the startup command as tw2.exe /D /P:C:\SBBS\XTRN\TW21\door.sys
Drop File GAP door.sys and the Drop file in the startup directory.

Other then that, it is pretty straight forward.. Thanks for any info you might be able to shed..

Al

so i had this setup a while ago and i deleted it from my bbs.
it wont accept input. not even from the local window.


so it's a stinker. dont use it.
use the javascript version. it's comparable.
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To: Digital Man
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Digital Man to Al Derosa on Mon Nov 22 2021 06:49 pm

I'm exerimenting to see if I can just disable the FOSSIL driver for a specific external program in SBBS/SCFG and seeing if that'll force TW2 to then use the COM/UART (which is also virtualized in the same FOSSIL driver, but it's a different interface to the program) and see if I get different results. I'm gusesing it's just a bug in the tw2 FOSSIL support, but don't know for sure yet. I'll get back to ya.
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i think he can get it working with netfoss, but i dont think the game is worth it.
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To: MRO
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: MRO to Digital Man on Mon Nov 22 2021 09:06 pm

Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Digital Man to Al Derosa on Mon Nov 22 2021 06:49 pm

I'm exerimenting to see if I can just disable the FOSSIL driver for a specific external program in SBBS/SCFG and seeing if that'll force TW2 to then use the COM/UART (which is also virtualized in the same FOSSIL driver, but it's a different interface to the program) and see if I get different results. I'm gusesing it's just a bug in the tw2 FOSSIL support, but don't know for sure yet. I'll get back to ya.
--

i think he can get it working with netfoss, but i dont think the game is worth it.

I would like to know if it works with netfoss - that could be indicator of some missing feature or bug in the Synchronet FOSSIL.

I tried disabling the FOSSIL support in a special build of SBBS and a couple of lines of text would come out of tw2 (release 11.20) before it would crash the ntvdm. Other doors seem to work fine however.
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To: Digital Man
Rob,

From the tw2.doc files I located (v11.14 and v11.20), both say "Support for FOSSIL communication drivers."

What release of TradeWars 2 are you referring to?

I want to say Wide Beta 7. When I went to option O in TEDIT, it didn't
show anything with fossil driver support.

Daryl

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To: Al DeRosa
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Al DeRosa to All on Mon Nov 22 2021 02:41 pm

Not sure if I mentioned it or not, but this is not the .json file, it is the original DOS version...

OK that makes a huge difference, I use the json version.

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To: Digital Man

On 22 Nov 2021, Digital Man said the following...

SCFG is the Synchronet configuration program. You can copy and paste settings from it here, like this:

Name tw2test
Internal Code TW2TEST
Start-up Directory ../xtrn/tw2_1120
Command Line tw2 /P:%f
Clean-up Command Line
Execution Cost None
Access Requirements
Execution Requirements
Multiple Concurrent Users Yes
Intercept I/O No
Native Executable/Script No
Use Shell or New Context No
Modify User Data No

Got it, no use continuing this, I am thinking it's just not worth it.. The JSON version is fine.. I was just looking to add another Tradewars dirivative to my Door Server... Thank you DM for all the help... As always you have outdone yourself...

AL

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To: MRO

On 22 Nov 2021, MRO said the following...

i think he can get it working with netfoss, but i dont think the game is worth it.
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I am starting to agree with you.. Thanks for the help...

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To: Al DeRosa
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Al DeRosa to Digital Man on Tue Nov 23 2021 08:45 am

Got it, no use continuing this, I am thinking it's just not worth it.. The JSON version is fine..

It's JavaScript (not JSON), but yeah, glad to hear its working for you.

I was just looking to add another Tradewars
dirivative to my Door Server... Thank you DM for all the help... As always you have outdone yourself...

It gave me some ideas, so maybe I can get it working after all.
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Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Mon Nov 22 2021 09:24 pm

Rob,

From the tw2.doc files I located (v11.14 and v11.20), both say "Support for FOSSIL communication drivers."

What release of TradeWars 2 are you referring to?

I want to say Wide Beta 7. When I went to option O in TEDIT, it didn't show anything with fossil driver support.

What does your tw2.doc file say (for that version) about FOSSIL support?
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To: Digital Man
Rob,

I want to say Wide Beta 7. When I went to option O in TEDIT, it didn't show anything with fossil driver support.

What does your tw2.doc file say (for that version) about FOSSIL
support? --

I looked, and there was NOTHING in the documentation about fossil support. Version 3 of the game DOES have Fossil Driver Support...as does the Trade
Wars Services utility. The latter allows ways to obtain credits faster, and
for managing their empire (moving planets, colonists, commodities, etc.) to needed sectors.

If there is a wide beta 8 of Trade Wars 2002 version 2, I'd like to obtain it.

I lost the version of Trade Wars Services for version 3 of Trade Wars in
a crash years ago, and I've never been able to find it on the internet...the developers are long gone. One version that I found apparently had a glitch, where players could see where Ferrengal and any other planets were, including those not their own. To me, that put newer players at a disadvantage in the game...as they didn't have a chance to build up their resources against other players.

I did see a message on Facebook about a new version of Trade Wars 2002
Game Server by John Pritchett (I don't recall his exact name), and I think
it was in the Telnet BBS Guide group. I'll defer to admin Dave Perussel on that.

Daryl

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Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Tue Nov 23 2021 05:28 pm

Rob,

I want to say Wide Beta 7. When I went to option O in TEDIT, it didn't show anything with fossil driver support.

What does your tw2.doc file say (for that version) about FOSSIL support? --

I looked, and there was NOTHING in the documentation about fossil support.

Weird. The tw2.doc files I have here (and I have 2 of them), both detail their fossil support, e.g.

VERSION 2


SysOp Reference for Release 11.20

o Support for FOSSIL communication drivers.

F[OSSIL] - This will force the program to use FOSSIL driver for input
and output. This command is superfluous because TW2 will
automatically search for a FOSSIL driver and use it if it
is found. Using /F will cause TW2 to skip the search, and
simply try to use the FOSSIL. If the program fails to find
the FOSSIL driver, it will switch to its own com port
routines.

What is a FOSSIL driver? A FOSSIL driver is a device driver
loaded into your computers memory when it boots up. Usually
in your CONFIG.SYS file. It is a standardized way for
programs to interface to your communications port.

Same for release 11.14 from 1992. Maybe you should update your copy of tw2?
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To: Digital Man
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Digital Man to Daryl Stout on Tue Nov 23 2021 04:05 pm

What is a FOSSIL driver? A FOSSIL driver is a device driver
loaded into your computers memory when it boots up. Usually
in your CONFIG.SYS file. It is a standardized way for
programs to interface to your communications port.

Same for release 11.14 from 1992. Maybe you should update your copy of tw2? --

he's confused about what game he's using.
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To: Daryl Stout
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Tue Nov 23 2021 05:28 pm

I want to say Wide Beta 7. When I went to option O in TEDIT, it
didn't show anything with fossil driver support.

What does your tw2.doc file say (for that version) about FOSSIL
support? --

I looked, and there was NOTHING in the documentation about fossil support. Version 3 of the game DOES have Fossil Driver Support...as does the Trade

you are confused about what version we are talking about.

my copy of this tw2 game has twedit.exe

If there is a wide beta 8 of Trade Wars 2002 version 2, I'd like to obtain it.

tradewards 2002 isnt the same version that we are talking about.

I did see a message on Facebook about a new version of Trade Wars 2002 Game Server by John Pritchett (I don't recall his exact name), and I think it was in the Telnet BBS Guide group. I'll defer to admin Dave Perussel on that.

https://eisonline.classictw.com/
not all accurate info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_Wars
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To: Al DeRosa
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Al DeRosa to Digital Man on Tue Nov 23 2021 07:30 pm

I was just looking to add another Tradewars

It gave me some ideas, so maybe I can get it working after all.

Well if anyone can, that would be you.. :)

Ah, and so I did. :-)

You can get the updated dosxtrn.exe here: ftp://vert.synchro.net/Synchronet/dosxtrn.exe http://web.synchro.net/api/files.ssjs?call=download-file&dir=sbbs&file=dosxtrn.exe

The "fix" was to implement a dummy "Keyboard read" function in the Synchronet FOSSIL driver. Apparently TW2 is using this function to read the local keyboard (weird) and unless that FOSSIL function returns the special "no key available" value (0xFFFF in AX), then TW2 will never call the FOSSIL function to read a character from the COM port. Anyway, it's working now.
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To: Digital Man
On 23 Nov 2021, Digital Man said the following...

Ah, and so I did. :-)

You can get the updated dosxtrn.exe here: ftp://vert.synchro.net/Synchronet/dosxtrn.exe http://web.synchro.net/api/files.ssjs?call=download-file&dir=sbbs&file=dos xe

Unbelievable... Thanks!!

Al

... Unzip... expand... What kind of pervert came up with this?

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To: Digital Man

Re: Re: Tradewars 2

Ah, and so I did. :-)

You can get the updated dosxtrn.exe here: ftp://vert.synchro.net/Synchronet/dosxtrn.exe http://web.synchro.net/api/files. ssjs?call=download-file&dir=sbbs&file=dosxtrn.exe

And as expected works like a charm!! Thank you again...

Al
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To: Digital Man
Rob,

Same for release 11.14 from 1992. Maybe you should update your copy of tw2? --

It looks that way. I hate to start a new game, though...but it'd be
easier with a fossil driver.

Daryl

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To: Al Derosa
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Al Derosa to Digital Man on Wed Nov 24 2021 09:14 am

And as expected works like a charm!! Thank you again...

Ah, good to hear. Thanks for the report and response.
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To: Daryl Stout
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Wed Nov 24 2021 08:59 am

Rob,

Same for release 11.14 from 1992. Maybe you should update your copy of tw2? --

It looks that way. I hate to start a new game, though...but it'd be
easier with a fossil driver.

What year was the version of the game that *you're* playing, released?
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To: Digital Man
Rob,

What year was the version of the game that *you're* playing, released?

The date on the main executable is Sept. 20, 1995. It's version 2, wide
beta 8. I could not find any version prior to version 3 at archives.thebbs.org and apparently bbsfiles.com is down (the author has been battling cancer).

I have several addons (Q, Wandering Planets, Supply Ship, Bajorans, Borg, Cardassians, Klingons, Romulans, and Vulcans), along with Trade Wars Services. The date on the race add-ons is March 28, 1996, with the date on Q, The Wandering Planets, and the Supply Ship as of May 25, 1995. Trade Wars
Services is dated March 1, 1996.

None of these that I noted can be registered anymore...I was lucky enough
to register them before they were abandoned.

Daryl

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To: Daryl Stout
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Wed Nov 24 2021 07:55 pm

Rob,

What year was the version of the game that *you're* playing, released?

The date on the main executable is Sept. 20, 1995. It's version 2, wide beta 8.

I'm pretty sure that TradeWars 2002, not TradeWars 2.

Does your door game or documentation say "2002"? If yes, that's not the game we're discussing.
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To: Digital Man
Rob,

Does your door game or documentation say "2002"? If yes, that's not the game we're discussing. --

It's the original game from Martech Software.

Daryl

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To: Daryl Stout
Re: Re: Tradewars 2
By: Daryl Stout to Digital Man on Sun Nov 28 2021 09:27 am

Rob,

Does your door game or documentation say "2002"? If yes, that's not the game we're discussing. --

It's the original game from Martech Software.

The game we are discussing makes no mention of Martech Software:

Sherrick & Morris'
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The most popular door game of all time!


From the Creator of the original TradeWars game: Chris Sherrick
Software & Documentation updates by John Morris

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To: Digital Man
Rob,

The game we are discussing makes no mention of Martech Software:

OK, I had never heard of that game. Sorry for the confusion.

Daryl

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