I've been interested in diskshop's lynx browser and thought how cool it is. While it's still a work-in-progress, I was wondering how hard it would be to make a door out of lynx or any other text browser?
I've been interested in diskshop's lynx browser and thought how cool it is. While it's still a work-in-progress, I was wondering how hard it would be to make a door out of lynx or any other text browser?I prefer links over lynx , but i dont known if will work under door environment, also if you give aes to your users, you must ensure
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Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Text browsers
By: calcmandan to All on Mon May 04 2020 01:52 pm
I've been interested in diskshop's lynx browser and thought how cool it is. While it's still a work-in-progress, I was wondering how hard it would be to make a door out of lynx or any other text browser?
I wonder if Synchronet's cioxtrn could be used to set up Lynx as a
door: wiki.synchro.net/howto:cioxtrn
I don't see a download link there, but I have it for download on my
BBS:
http://www.digitaldistortionbbs.com/?page=002-files.xjs&dir=syncutil
I've been interested in diskshop's lynx browser and thought how cool
it is. While it's still a work-in-progress, I was wondering how hard
it would be to make a door out of lynx or any other text browser?
I wonder if Synchronet's cioxtrn could be used to set up Lynx as a
door: wiki.synchro.net/howto:cioxtrn
I don't see a download link there, but I have it for download on my
BBS:
http://www.digitaldistortionbbs.com/?page=002-files.xjs&dir=syncutil
That would be hella sick if it could work.
Ragnarok wrote to calcmandan <=-
El 4/5/20 a las 17:52, calcmandan escribi¢:
I've been interested in diskshop's lynx browser and thought how cool it is. While it's still a work-in-progress, I was wondering how hard it would be to make a door out of lynx or any other text browser?
I prefer links over lynx , but i dont known if will work under door environment, also if you give aes to your users, you must ensure filesystem access/actions with -anonymous parameter.
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
I go back and forth on setting up internet-related things on a BBS.
These days, most BBSes are available on the internet, which means users already have their own internet access, so I don't really see a whole
lot of point in setting up something like a web browser on a BBS (even
if it is text-based). Back in the mid-90s though, having some kind of internet access on a BBS was a lot more useful, since some people
didn't have internet access yet.
Valid point I look at it from the perspective of the other user. Many people of rural america still rely on dialup and some bbs' still offer dialup nodes. There are those behind corporate proxies who could also benefit from a telnet/ssh connection since many basic configurations, that i've noticed, don't proxy such connections. I'm planning on launching my own board and look to include things like lynx not just for the text based web, but also for gopher. The difficulty lies on how bookmarking will work considering it acceses the local filesystem to save them.
And then there's the cool factor. You effectively acting as a proxy.
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
I think there's also a bit of a risk in enabling something like that.
What if someone logs into your BBS and then loads a possible malicious
web site using your BBS web browser, or perhaps loads a site that might trigger ISP or even FBI bots watching internet activity? I wonder if someone could get you in trouble that way by making it look like an internet request came from your system.
For the record, I'm not asking you to host a web browser on your board. I sent the message to anyone. I just wondered if it would be hard to adapt lynx into a door.
calcmandan wrote to Nightfox <=-
There's always some level of risk when enabling services to a
user. For instance, I don't know a single BBS that doesn't
provide email automatically.
One can use that email to send
malicious emails, conduct spear phishing, social engineering...
Granted, you'd have logs to show that it isn't you, but the risk
is still there.
Exactly. My reasoning for not offering it is..... why would I?
What user doesn't already have an email account (and probably
multiple email accounts)? Why does a BBS user need another email
account through my BBS? Doesn't even really make sense to me.
My board is also not reachable via the Web. Again - why? I want
users to "call" my board, not browse to it.
Everyone has their own ideas on what a BBS should be, eh? :-)
I go back and forth on setting up internet-related things on a BBS. These days, most BBSes are available on the internet, which means users already have their own internet access, so I don't really see a whole lot of point in setting up something like a web browser on a BBS (even if it is text-based). Back in the mid-90s though, having some kind of internet access on a BBS was a lot more useful, since some people didn't have internet access yet.
Nightfox
My local BBS is where I got my first taste of the internet... then I found the awesome TCP/IP and GRAPHICS... lol... I remember the days of checking email from a Unix prompt. I also remember thinking, screw this internet stuff - its so hard... lol...
Nightfox wrote to Paulie420 <=-
Re: Re: Text browsers
By: Paulie420 to Nightfox on Tue May 05 2020 07:09 pm
My local BBS is where I got my first taste of the internet... then I found the awesome TCP/IP and GRAPHICS... lol... I remember the days of checking email from a Unix prompt. I also remember thinking, screw this internet stuff - its so hard... lol...
Around 1995, I started hearing about FTP access from a local BBS before
I really knew what FTP and the internet was. When I first started learning about the internet, that was right about when I was using
Windows 3.1 a lot for certain tasks. I started using the internet with Windows 3.1 - Trumpet Winsock to dial into my ISP, Netscape Navigator
for browsing the web, and the various other Windows-based programs for internet use.
Around that time, the web site TUCOWS came around - It stood for The Ultimate Collection Of Winsock Software. Now I believe they've changed the W to stnad for "Windows".
Around 1995, I started hearing about FTP access from a local BBS before I really knew what FTP and the internet was. When I first started learning about the internet, that was right about when I was using Windows 3.1 a lot for certain tasks. I started using the internet with Windows 3.1 - Trumpet Winsock to dial into my ISP, Netscape Navigator for browsing the web, and the various other Windows-based programs for internet use.
Around that time, the web site TUCOWS came around - It stood for The Ultimate Collection Of Winsock Software. Now I believe they've changed the W to stnad for "Windows".
Nightfox
It was sure better than the $15/month that AOL was charging for 10 hours. I may be off on the numbers.
LOL, I'm 40, and we had a very similair path to internet. I also used TOCOWS back then; and FTP... I remember using a UNIX prompt to get around at first, and went over to my girlfriends house where her father showed me Trumpter Winsock... in the last post I confused that for TCP/IP. Yup... the rest is history, huh!!
BTW, today TUCOWS is still around... they also created TING cell phone
I'm still angry @ myself for dropping out of computers a little bit after that time. Went to my career, and just picked linux back up a year ago... thats why I'm so stoked about BBSes being around again. Cheers, its neat remembering about 'back in the day'...
Around that time, the web site TUCOWS came around - It stood for The Ultimate
Collection Of Winsock Software. Now I believe they've changed the W to stnad for "Windows".
Tucows. I worked for the ISP that hosted there Web server. That server took a pounding. Even in 1996. Wow. :-)
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Text browsers
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Wed May 06 2020 07:06 am
It was sure better than the $15/month that AOL was charging for 10 hours. I may be off on the numbers.
I never had my own AOL account, but I had used AOL at other peoples' houses sometimes. But I never really liked having a limited number of hours per month to use the service. I remember AOL increasing their monthly usage time, but I think they did have 10 hours once, which
seems very little these days now that everyone is connected to the internet all the time. Now, I could potentially be doing something on
the internet 10 hours in a single day. :P It's funny to now to
remember the internet was typically used as a service we'd temporarily connect to for a little while and then disconnect.
You're the same age as me. :P I remember when ISPs often provided a UNIX shell account. I never really knew all the reasons why you'd need one,
:) I've always been into computers, and my career is computer-related. Nightfox
On 05-06-20 13:35, Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Text browsers
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Wed May 06 2020 07:06 am
It was sure better than the $15/month that AOL was charging for 10 hours. I may be off on the numbers.
I never had my own AOL account, but I had used AOL at other peoples' houses sometimes. But I never really liked having a limited number of hours per month to use the service. I remember AOL increasing their monthly usage time, but I think they did have 10 hours once, which
seems very little these days now that everyone is connected to the internet all the time. Now, I could potentially be doing something on
the internet 10 hours in a single day. :P It's funny to now to
remember the internet was typically used as a service we'd temporarily connect to for a little while and then disconnect.
On 05-07-20 01:15, calcmandan wrote to Nightfox <=-
Yeah during dialup days. I was living at home and my mom would pick up
the phone and disconnect me.
I'd have to check my emails late at night.
On 05-06-20 07:06, calcmandan wrote to Nightfox <=-
Now that takes me back! Trumpet winsock, OMG. Yeah.
On 05-06-20 08:11, Paulie420 wrote to Nightfox <=-
Around that time, the web site TUCOWS came around - It stood for The Ultimate Collection Of Winsock Software. Now I believe they've changed the W to stnad for "Windows".
Nightfox
LOL, I'm 40, and we had a very similair path to internet. I also used TOCOWS back then; and FTP... I remember using a UNIX prompt to get
around at first, and went over to my girlfriends house where her father showed me Trumpter Winsock... in the last post I confused that for
TCP/IP. Yup... the rest is history, huh!!
BTW, today TUCOWS is still around... they also created TING cell phone service, which is kind of a cool thing... its like cell service sold in small chunks; only pay for what you use, with an average bill of $35.
My girlfriend uses it, but its not for me as I'm a data-heavy user.
I'm still angry @ myself for dropping out of computers a little bit
after that time. Went to my career, and just picked linux back up a
year ago... thats why I'm so stoked about BBSes being around again. Cheers, its neat remembering about 'back in the day'...
On 05-06-20 13:39, Nightfox wrote to Paulie420 <=-
You're the same age as me. :P I remember when ISPs often provided a
UNIX shell account. I never really knew all the reasons why you'd need one, but one thing I used to do to help speed up my FTP downloads was
to first log into my ISP shell account and download the file there
using wget or something (which would transfer very fast) and then
download it from my ISP account via FTP, which would download basically
as fast as possible for me. Sometimes I noticed that downloading from
FTP sites was slow even for dialup, and downloading it to my ISP space first helped a bit sometimes.
:) I've always been into computers, and my career is computer-related.
On 05-06-20 19:56, Paulie420 wrote to Nightfox <=-
I know just enough for me to be a pain in the ass with my ignorance of
OS knowledge... oh well, at least I'm still here... pushing buttons... trying. Regardless, it makes me smile so... I'll stick around until the boys get too pissy with me. :P
Tony Langdon wrote to calcmandan <=-
On 05-07-20 01:15, calcmandan wrote to Nightfox <=-
Yeah during dialup days. I was living at home and my mom would pick up
the phone and disconnect me.
Haha, I left home before starting BBSing. I culdn't afford a modem
until I started working, and any BBS calls would have been long
distance calls. When I left home and moved to Melbourne, BBSing became practical, and it didn't take long to get hooked! :)
I'd have to check my emails late at night.
Haha. I used to try and tie up the phone from dinner time, so the telemarketers couldn't get through. ;)
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Tony Langdon wrote to calcmandan <=-
On 05-07-20 01:15, calcmandan wrote to Nightfox <=-
Yeah during dialup days. I was living at home and my mom would pick up
the phone and disconnect me.
Haha, I left home before starting BBSing. I culdn't afford a modem
until I started working, and any BBS calls would have been long
distance calls. When I left home and moved to Melbourne, BBSing became practical, and it didn't take long to get hooked! :)
I'd have to check my emails late at night.
Haha. I used to try and tie up the phone from dinner time, so the telemarketers couldn't get through. ;)
Yeah during dialup days. I was living at home and my mom would pick up the phone and disconnect me.
Back then, under the covers the shell account provided you an IP connection using SLIRP - so you had a choice.
On 05-07-20 16:24, calcmandan wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I came home after the Navy to attend college. Rent free baby.
I'd have to check my emails late at night.
Haha. I used to try and tie up the phone from dinner time, so the telemarketers couldn't get through. ;)
Smart
On 05-07-20 22:40, Dennisk wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Another Melbournite here. Do you remember which BBS's you used to hang out on?
I remember calling Paranoimia, Neptune 2, The Daily Planet, Altered Reality, Mozy Swamp, Tardis BBS among others. (I still have my telix dialing directory).
SLIRP?? You mean SLIP right?
On 05-07-20 22:38, HusTler wrote to alterego <=-
Re: Re: Text browsers
By: alterego to Nightfox on Thu May 07 2020 11:53 am
Back then, under the covers the shell account provided you an IP connection using SLIRP - so you had a choice.
SLIRP?? You mean SLIP right?
On 05-03-20 12:06, Dennisk wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Don't remember The Bridge. I looked at a list of BBSs in Victoria in 1993, and there were heaps, more than I thought there were. Now there
are more BBS's in Australia than there are BBS users. One forgotten
aspect of dial up modems, was you could
directly connect to a friend with terminal programs, chat, and send
each other files directly.
SLIRP?? You mean SLIP right?
Nope, I mean SLIRP...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slirp
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On 05-08-20 22:20, HusTler wrote to alterego <=-
Wow. I would have found that useful had I known about it.
Tony Langdon wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 05-03-20 12:06, Dennisk wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Don't remember The Bridge. I looked at a list of BBSs in Victoria in 1993, and there were heaps, more than I thought there were. Now there
Yes, it was online from 1992 to at least 1998, so it should be in that list. Any chance of getting a copy?
are more BBS's in Australia than there are BBS users. One forgotten
True. :)
aspect of dial up modems, was you could
directly connect to a friend with terminal programs, chat, and send
each other files directly.
Yes. Didn't often do it, but occasionally it was handy for small
files. Anything larger than 1MB was better handled by sneakernet in
most cases. :)
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On 05-09-20 13:54, Dennisk wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
You can get it here
http://tlp.zapto.org/links/BBSFVIC.TXT
are more BBS's in Australia than there are BBS users. One forgotten
True. :)
Or "Mum-driven-car-to-friends-place-net". I only had one or two
friends who had a modem which I could do with this, and having a 2400
BPS modem myself, too slow for games. I think he just liked to use
Telix to chat. You could enter a sequence of commands and make the COM port your terminal, thereby giving the other person a telnet like connection to your DOS.
I was thinking the same thing. My very first internet provider was a local BBS. You would dial into the BBS. Drop to a shell and then type PPP. My next provider I used had dialer with SLIP. That was $9.99 a month for 20 hours. I'm wondering what the price would have been with SLIRP? Would an ISP even offer it? I guess I'll never know. Can't go back to 1990 unless I run into Marty Mcfly. :-)Wow. I would have found that useful had I known about it.
My ISP was too quick to ban it. :(
On 05-09-20 13:10, HusTler wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
My ISP was too quick to ban it. :(
I was thinking the same thing. My very first internet provider was a local BBS. You would dial into the BBS. Drop to a shell and then type
PPP. My next provider I used had dialer with SLIP. That was $9.99 a
month for 20 hours. I'm wondering what the price would have been with SLIRP? Would an ISP even offer it? I guess I'll never know. Can't go
back to 1990 unless I run into Marty Mcfly. :-)
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