• Virtual machine

    From Newtype Len@21:2/148 to All on Wed May 22 20:08:00 2024
    Last month I downloaded a game off of Steam called Shogo: Mobile Armor Division. I always meant to play it when it was new in 1998, but a lot of things just got in the way these last 26 years.

    I didn't anticipate this, but Steam just sold a game that wasn't programmed
    to work on a modern machine. Someone out there made some patches that can get it to run on modern hardware, but my computer is just too modern to handle 1998. I had a problem with Blade Runner not generating targets in the target range because my clock speed was too fast for the software to recognize, but this is a whole different league.

    The only real solution is to set up a virtual machine and run it off of that. I'm savy enough with computers to do this, but I wanted to go outside of my expertise and learn what you need to do to setup and run a virtual machine. Have any of you done it before, and what would I need to get started?


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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to Newtype Len on Thu May 23 01:03:34 2024
    The only real solution is to set up a virtual machine and run it off of that. I'm savy enough with computers to do this, but I wanted to go outside of my expertise and learn what you need to do to setup and run a virtual machine. Have any of you done it before, and what would I need
    to get started?

    Most VM solutions will have guides that explain how to install a guest OS, I imagine from the age of the game you'll be wanting to use Win98?

    Also worth considering is that Dosbox-x can run Win 98 (see the wiki for instructions dosbox-x.com/wiki/Home) for instructions. Also can emulate a 3dfx card for 3d, soundbaster for sound ect. Its all pretty well described on the wiki.

    Not sure how you are going to get you game installed in the VM though, usually one get's and .ISO image for the original intall & mounts that as CD in the VM (dosbox can do that too) - but I don't think your steam version will have come with the original CD or an ISO. you'll need to look for that, try searching archive.org for it.

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  • From neoshock@21:1/150 to Newtype Len on Wed May 22 20:49:13 2024
    that. I'm savy enough with computers to do this, but I wanted to go outside of my expertise and learn what you need to do to setup and run a virtual machine. Have any of you done it before, and what would I need
    to get started?

    If you were wanting to try a virtual machine, VirtualBox would be a simple and easy solution, however I do not think this would work for you as simple virtual machines would still be based on fairly current hardware.
    I would suggest trying PCemu of 86Box, as it would actually emulate the older hardware. The downloads from theirs sites do not include the bios's but they are simple enough to find.

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  • From claw@21:1/210 to Newtype Len on Thu May 23 07:46:21 2024
    On 22 May 2024, Newtype Len said the following...

    Last month I downloaded a game off of Steam called Shogo: Mobile Armor Division. I always meant to play it when it was new in 1998, but a lot of things just got in the way these last 26 years.

    I didn't anticipate this, but Steam just sold a game that wasn't programmed to work on a modern machine. Someone out there made some patches that can get it to run on modern hardware, but my computer is
    just too modern to handle 1998. I had a problem with Blade Runner not generating targets in the target range because my clock speed was too
    fast for the software to recognize, but this is a whole different league.

    The only real solution is to set up a virtual machine and run it off of that. I'm savy enough with computers to do this, but I wanted to go outside of my expertise and learn what you need to do to setup and run a virtual machine. Have any of you done it before, and what would I need
    to get started?


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Newtype Len on Mon May 27 14:41:04 2024
    Re: Virtual machine
    By: Newtype Len to All on Wed May 22 2024 08:08 pm

    The only real solution is to set up a virtual machine and run it off of that. I'm savy enough with computers to do this, but I wanted to go outside of my expertise and learn what you need to do to setup and run a virtual machine. Have any of you done it before, and what would I need to get started?


    I don't like virtual machines much for gaming.

    I see the game requires 3D graphics card compatible with DirectX 7 (DirectX 9 recommended). 3D graphics in virtual machines have a tendency to suck.

    Steam's page suggests the game ought to be compatible with modern systems so you should ask their tech support for options rather than attempting your own hacks.

    If you want to try with virtual machine, you could grab VirtualBox and see how it goes. You might have to enable 3D acceleration

    https://docs.oracle.com/en/virtualization/virtualbox/6.0/user/guestadd-video.html


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to neoshock on Sun May 4 08:47:12 2025
    Re: Re: Virtual machine
    By: neoshock to Newtype Len on Wed May 22 2024 08:49 pm

    would suggest trying PCemu of 86Box, as it would actually emulate the older hardware. The downloads from theirs sites do not include the bios's but they are simple enough to find.

    I've used PCEmu a bit but not 86box.. I should probably give it a try. I have some old DOS games I like to play sometimes, and DOSBox or DOSBox-X usually works okay for those though. Not too long ago, I also found the Amiga version of Lemmings packaged up with an Amiga emulator with a batch file all set up to make it easy to run, and I thought that was pretty cool..

    I like being able to run retro games & other software. At the same time, I was thinking about it recently, and when I was originally using all that software in the 90s, one reason I was into it was because it was new and cutting-edge, which was exciting. Now I like running that stuff for nostalgia, and because I still like it. I still like playing with new cutting-edge stuff, and although that excitement is still there sometimes, it also feels a bit different these days.

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Nightfox on Sun May 4 16:27:55 2025
    would suggest trying PCemu of 86Box, as it would actually emulate the older hardware. The downloads from theirs sites do not include the bi but they are simple enough to find.

    Long story short, 86box is PCemu continued.

    Original coder of PCemu abandoned the project but opened the sources to
    others and 86box team picked it up and continue under different brand.

    Then some other individual tries to maintain PCemu but its development if anyhow progresses, then it's too slow to matter. Real PCemu that is
    actively developed is 86box if you're closer to the topic on a daily basis.

    -h1

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:2/127 to Nightfox on Sun May 4 12:25:00 2025
    Nightfox wrote to neoshock <=-

    would suggest trying PCemu of 86Box, as it would actually emulate the older hardware. The downloads from theirs sites do not include the bios's but they are simple enough to find.

    I've used PCEmu a bit but not 86box.. I should probably give it a try.
    I have some old DOS games I like to play sometimes, and DOSBox or DOSBox-X usually works okay for those though. Not too long ago, I also found the Amiga version of Lemmings packaged up with an Amiga emulator with a batch file all set up to make it easy to run, and I thought that was pretty cool..

    I like being able to run retro games & other software. At the same
    time, I was thinking about it recently, and when I was originally using all that software in the 90s, one reason I was into it was because it
    was new and cutting-edge, which was exciting. Now I like running that stuff for nostalgia, and because I still like it. I still like playing with new cutting-edge stuff, and although that excitement is still
    there sometimes, it also feels a bit different these days.

    We used to play Microsoft Outlaws on LAN... that would be cool to
    do again. :-)

    And I do have just playing with it on my list of things to do when
    I have some down time. :-)


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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to Nightfox on Tue May 6 08:09:13 2025
    Re: Re: Virtual machine
    By: Nightfox to neoshock on Sun May 04 2025 08:47:12

    Hi, Nightfox.

    Amiga version of Lemmings packaged up with an Amiga emulator with a batch file all set up to make it easy to run, and I thought that was pretty cool..

    Heha... When I was running in the hamster wheel of trying to get my Acorn up and running I was telling a friend about all the trials and tribulations I'd run into so far. He said "So what's the point of all this?" - after telling him he sounded like my wife I said I would know I'd been successful when I could play Lemmings on it :)

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Bob Worm on Tue May 6 09:46:10 2025
    Re: Re: Virtual machine
    By: Bob Worm to Nightfox on Tue May 06 2025 08:09 am

    Heha... When I was running in the hamster wheel of trying to get my Acorn up and running I was telling a friend about all the trials and tribulations I'd run into so far. He said "So what's the point of all this?" - after telling him he sounded like my wife I said I would know I'd been successful when I could play Lemmings on it :)

    :)

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