Anyone else have a early era PC? Please share the specs and what you're doing with it if so.
Re: My new* 486 (*=old)
By: xbit to All on Fri Feb 10 2023 06:25:16
Anyone else have a early era PC? Please share the specs and what you're doing with it if so.
Aloha up there! I am writing from Grants Pass.
My first PC was an IBM 5150 with two full-height 5.25" drives and no internal
disk and it ran DOS 3.x. I no longer have that system.
Recently i inherited an IBM PC 330 6577-79T, which has a Pentium processor, 200MHz clock, 66MHz bus. It has 32mb EDO memory, 1mb video memory, 4gb IDE disk, 3.5" floppy drive, 52x CD-ROM drive dated 2002, PCI sound card, PCI modem, and free ISA slots. It has a parallel port, a serial port, two 1.5MB/s
USB ports, and an "infrared" port. According to the spec sheet it cannot boot
from CD but the BIOS has the CD-ROM in the boot order. The S3 Trio64V+ video
controller with 1MB memory can go up to 1024x768x256 colors or 1280x1024x16 colors.
The system has Windows ME. It boots to a BSOD even in safe mode. I cannot get
it to boot from the CD-ROM and i don't currently have a way to write floppy disks nor IDE disks. So i am effectively locked out of the system.
My thought is to acquire a USB floppy drive and write a memtest86 boot floppy.
I'd test the memory first. Then i would write a BasLinux floppy to test the hard disk. If the hardware tests OK then i would install FreeDOS. My initial
use would be recovering data from old floppies of mine that i recently discovered. Then it would be for DOS gaming.
I have a model M keyboard that would be a good fit for this system.
Last year i used DJGPP to compile current versions of Angband and NetHack for
DOS. I have a Pentium-3 era system for testing, but it would be nice to have
an older system to help keep it real. Though not real mode.
A friend of mine is into ZZT. Archive.org has a trove of ZZT content including
a diskmag titled "Hacker's Guide to ZZT." Thought i might check that out.
-Ben
Recently i inherited an IBM PC 330 6577-79T, which has a Pentium processor, 200MHz clock, 66MHz bus. It has 32mb EDO memory, 1mb video memory, 4gb IDE disk, 3.5" floppy drive, 52x CD-ROM drive dated 2002, PCI sound card, PCI modem, and free ISA slots. It has a parallel port, a
The system has Windows ME. It boots to a BSOD even in safe mode. I cannot get it to boot from the CD-ROM and i don't currently have a way to write floppy disks nor IDE disks. So i am effectively locked out of the system.
My first PC was an IBM 5150 with two full-height 5.25" drives and no internal disk and it ran DOS 3.x. I no longer have that system.
I have the following retro PC currently being shipped:
x-bit.org/retro486/ Fingers crossed that it makes its way to me safely.
My first PC ever was a 486sx 25 that i later upgraded with a Cyrix 486-100. I don't want to say what i did with it years later as it makes
me sad/mad :/
Looking forward to some 486 era gaming and i'll also install a spitfire bbs just to get the init strings working so it says "waiting for call".
One of the first upgrads I'm going to do is to replace the badge on the case from this place geekenspiel.com/collections.
Anyone else have a early era PC? Please share the specs and what your doing with it if so.
Anyone else have a early era PC? Please share the specs
and what you're doing with it if so.
Recently i inherited an IBM PC 330 6577-79T, which has a
Pentium processor, 200MHz clock, 66MHz bus. It has 32mb
EDO memory, 1mb video [...]
I have a 486 that I've been "building" now for like a year. I just never finished it up lol. I can't even remember what's all in it but I did recently get a GUS PnP that I'll be throwing in there, which has me all sorts of excited. I love building old hardware.
My dad had a Gateway 2000 486dx66 if I remember correctly. That machine was great, it was reliable and fast and I loved the aesthetic. Vintage PCs are so cool.
I had a 386sx33 or something along those lines back then. It was very tempermental and there was something wrong with the HD controller as every HD I threw on there became corrupt after a period of time. But this is the machine that got me deep into the BBSing hobby, so it's important in my personal history haha
Sweet deal! Yeah, I also install old BBS software on hardware when I can. There's something magical about just seeing the old WFC the way it was intended to be seen. I've done the same with Amiga BBS software on real hardware. It's neat.
My first PC was an IBM 5150 with two full-height 5.25" drives and no
internal disk and it ran DOS 3.x. I no longer have that system.
Do you wish you still had this one? :)
I have the following retro PC currently being shipped:
Anyone else have a early era PC? Please share the specs and what your doing with it if so.
Anyone else have a early era PC? Please share the specs and what your
doing with it if so.
This is an amazing system Ben! Does it have the big blue IBM when you first trun it on? Yes, a very nice retro PC with the perfect CPU for old and newer dos games.
Very sorry about this. Please keep us posted when you found the solution as this is a great PC.
Do you wish you still had this one? :)
Anyone else have a early era PC? Please share the specs and what your doing with it if so.
Long live the retro!
Personally i`d love to get an old Windows 98 machine so i can experience retro computing for some time however in my country it`s hard to find one and i don`t trust ebay so getting one for me will be quite the challenge
486/66Mhz - 16MB
Award Bios 4.50G - 1995
4xISA / 3xVesa / 1x3.5
Vesa VGA Card 1MB
SCSI Adaptec 1542B
Seagate Cheetah SCSI drive
Gravis UltraSound Max rev1.8 connected to a Sony F410R 1989 Japan :)
3com etherlink III
To which Commodore Clifford replies...
I have some old ones in storage. Was thinking of taking one of my AMD
(K7 I think?) out that was set up with NT Workstation 4 and turn it into
a duplication machine for disks from my retro systems
I do wish i still had my first PC. It had several hand-me-down upgrades over the years including maxing out the conventional memory, adding an Orchid Tiny Turbo 286 upgrade that plugged into an 8-bit ISA slot plus a
Which kind of retro games are you into?
sPINOZa wrote to xbit <=-
SCSI Adaptec 1542B
3com etherlink III
Pavel Pavel wrote to xbit <=-
Personally i`d love to get an old Windows 98 machine so i can
experience retro computing for some time however in my country it`s
hard to find one and i don`t trust ebay so getting one for me will be quite the challenge
xbit wrote to Ben Collver <=-
Which kind of retro games are you into?
FPS mostly.. Duke Nukem, quake, doom.
Aside: I did see someone is making a 4:3 LCD monitor in
beige. That'd be a great addition to a retro PC setup.
Aside: I did see someone is making a 4:3 LCD monitor in
beige. That'd be a great addition to a retro PC setup.
How do they accomplish that? Spray-paint?
How do they accomplish that? Spray-paint?
It's a kickstarter campaign -
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/checkmate1500mini/retro-styled-modul ar-ips -display-for-old-and-new-systems
Anyone else have a early era PC? Please share the specs and what your doing with it if so.
FPS mostly.. Duke Nukem, quake, doom.
If you're interested, I have a LOT of maps/addons/utils for those games
on my board (origin line below). ;-)
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I understand. That said, ebay has a pretty good protection policy and seller rankings and grades help a ton as well. I've always had good
luck with it as long as I follow 4.5-5 star sellers. Even if
something goes wrong, you can get refunded. --- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
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While I may agree about eBay being trustworthy, one thing to consider is shipping. Not sure what country Pavel is from, but I can tell you I
won't even consider ordering anything from overseas unless it's something small that should be good in shipping... but anything like a computer or
a monitor... no way.
calcmandan wrote to xbit <=-
Anyone else have a early era PC? Please share the specs and what your doing with it if so.
Believe it or not, my daily driver for writing is a Tandy TRS-80 Model
200 laptop. I used to host a phlog on gopher space and I will again at some point, all the entries were written on the 200.
I have the following retro PC currently being shipped: x-bit.org/retro486/ Fingers crossed that it makes its way to me safely.Nice! I hope it arrives safely. I bought an AMD 386DX40 mainboard a short while ago, with 4 MB ram. I still have to mount in one of my very old cases and find a suitable PSU for it, since I don't want to toast that 'new' mainboard.
My first PC ever was a 486sx 25 that i later upgraded with a Cyrix 486-100 don't want to say what i did with it years later as it makes me sad/mad :/I lost some stuff too. Luckily, I do have all my hard drives from 40MB onwards. The only one I _don't_ have is from my Novell server that held my BBS files :/
Looking forward to some 486 era gaming and i'll also install a spitfire bb just to get the init strings working so it says "waiting for call".Can relate, I look forward to using the 386 with an IDE to CF adapter and a Gotek FDD emulator, so I can Telix to BBS'es :D
One of the first upgrads I'm going to do is to replace the badge on the ca from this place geekenspiel.com/collections.Thanks for the link, great stuff!
Anyone else have a early era PC? Please share the specs and what your doin with it if so.I also have a Pentium 200mmx I had earlier, with 850MB HDD and a Matrox GPU. I'm checking this board and PSU for bad caps and intend to power it on one of these days. I wonder what's on the HDD :D
Oh, god, don't get us going down the road about the systems we've lost alo the way._Very_ good point :/
It's a kickstarter campaign -
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/checkmate1500mini/retro-styled-modula -display-for-old-and-new-systems
I loved the image of a journalist hacking up a story on one of those
in the field, then going to a phone booth with an acoustic coupler
and filing the story electronically.
On 12 Feb 23 10:16:40 xbit wrote...
I understand. That said, ebay has a pretty good protection policy
and seller rankings and grades help a ton as well. I've always
had good luck with it as long as I follow 4.5-5 star sellers.
Even if something goes wrong, you can get refunded. --- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32 * Origin: The X-Bit BBS - x-bit.org - Forest Grove,
Or (21:4/107)
To which Commodore Clifford replies...
While I may agree about eBay being trustworthy, one thing to consider
is shipping. Not sure what country Pavel is from, but I can tell you
I won't even consider ordering anything from overseas unless it's
something small that should be good in shipping... but anything like
a computer or a monitor... no way.
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Grad A system! Very nice. And where are all you getting the Gravis cards
SCSI Adaptec 1542BI bought a ton of these cards in the '90s. I worked in a mostly Mac shop and we had lots of SCSI peripherals (and all of our servers were SCSI)
3com etherlink III
so we used 1542s in our Windows PCs.
3c509s just seemed cooler than the Intel EtherExpress 16s. :)
Anyone else have a early era PC? Please share the specs and what
your doing with it if so.
Believe it or not, my daily driver for writing is a Tandy TRS-80
Model 200 laptop. I used to host a phlog on gopher space and I will
again at some point, all the entries were written on the 200. All
pending articles, for when the phlog comes back online, are stored on
there at the moment. I also host a weekly radio show and write my
show notes on it. At some point, I intend to get a wifi card that
plugs into the serial port - so I can bbs on it.
It has a 80C85A CPU, 72k ram, 240x128 full-dot matrix LCD, interfaces
for modem, printer, cassette, and BCR. Funs on four AA batteries that
lasts about a week for me, sometimes less depending on usage. I
bought it with a Rex expansion module giving me 1MB of extra storage.
I'm considering the purchase of a backpack device, which mimicks a
floppy drive up to 8gb of storage as well as a wifi card. I would
like to bbs on it.
Daniel Traechin
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sPINOZa wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The 1542B was donated to me by a friend in the late 90s, some years ago
I bought a spare one but I cannot remember if it is also a 1542B
because it has yellow components instead of red.
Were they called Workgroup servers?
Those 3c509s will survive mankind!
Bikerbob wrote to calcmandan <=-
WOW.. very cool on the model 200 - I was not aware, sounds like it is somewhat close to the Atari Portfolio.
IbookG4
because damm that thing was SLICK in its day. Great screen fantasic keyboard. I loved to WORK on that machine.. light.. battery would last forever.
Those 3c509s will survive mankind!
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one of the most frustrating things with NEW LED/LCDs is
that they have no picture control anymore. I have an old
atari with composite out, gives me 80col - actually a
really nice picture on my LCD monitor - but I am missing
the last 2 columns because I cannot move the picture to the
left :( you have to find a nice multisync or crt to get
that to work, and then go through most likely some kind of
hardware to convert it to VGA?? too much work.
Bummer
Bikerbob wrote to calcmandan <=-
WOW.. very cool on the model 200 - I was not aware, sounds like
it is somewhat close to the Atari Portfolio.
Bigger, thicker. Not a clamshell case.
IbookG4 because damm that thing was SLICK in its day. Great
screen fantasic keyboard. I loved to WORK on that machine..
light.. battery would last forever.
I kept an IBM Thinkpad T43 going for the same reasons - except the
battery life. Great hardware design, best keyboard I'd used on a
laptop. Old Thinkpad laptop keyboards made me feel like I was
traveling with a portable desktop.
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Hello Bikerbob!
** On Saturday 18.02.23 - 06:25, Bikerbob wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:
one of the most frustrating things with NEW LED/LCDs is that they
have no picture control anymore. I have an old atari with
composite out, gives me 80col - actually a really nice picture on
my LCD monitor - but I am missing the last 2 columns because I
cannot move the picture to the left :( you have to find a nice multisync or crt to get that to work, and then go through most
likely some kind of hardware to convert it to VGA?? too much work.
Every LED monitor that I've played with DOES have horizontal and
vertical adjustments available.
Bummer
Maybe there is an auto-adjust feature that would correct for that?
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Quoting Ben Collver to Xbit <=-
Re: My new* 486 (*=old)
By: xbit to All on Fri Feb 10 2023 06:25:16
internal disk and it ran DOS 3.x. I no longer have that system.
Recently i inherited an IBM PC 330 6577-79T, which has a Pentium processor, 200MHz clock, 66MHz bus. It has 32mb EDO memory, 1mb video memory, 4gb IDE disk, 3.5" floppy drive, 52x CD-ROM drive dated 2002,
PCI sound card, PCI modem, and free ISA slots. It has a parallel port,
a serial port, two 1.5MB/s USB ports, and an "infrared" port.
According to the spec sheet it cannot boot from CD but the BIOS has
the CD-ROM in the boot order. The S3 Trio64V+ video controller with
1MB memory can go up to 1024x768x256 colors or 1280x1024x16 colors.
The system has Windows ME. It boots to a BSOD even in safe mode. I cannot get it to boot from the CD-ROM and i don't currently have a way
to write floppy disks nor IDE disks. So i am effectively locked out
of the system.
I realize I am responding to an older message, but I have a working
PC350 and could send you boot floppies for DOS if needed. You
probably already got this working, but just wanted to offer. I have
the original disks and they might include diags as well.
The disk is actually 13.6 GB but the BIOS can only see the first 4 GB.
one of the most frustrating things with NEW LED/LCDs is that they
have no picture control anymore. I have an old atari with composite
out, gives me 80col - actually a really nice picture on my LCD
monitor - but I am missing the last 2 columns because I cannot move
the picture to the left :( you have to find a nice multisync or crt
to get that to work, and then go through most likely some kind of
hardware to convert it to VGA?? too much work.
Bummer
The disk is actually 13.6 GB but the BIOS can only see the first 4 GB.
I thought the BIOS report only referred to the RAM limit, not
HDD.
WOW.. very cool on the model 200 - I was not aware, sounds like it is somewhat close to the Atari Portfolio. My oldest laptop is a Dell D600 or
a Ibook G4 - The first because it is native serial - for a number of reasons not the least of which is a modem - but also other communications issues with other retro hardware - and the IbookG4 because damm that
thing was SLICK in its day. Great screen fantasic keyboard. I loved to WORK on that machine.. light.. battery would last forever.
I still have my my first machine Atari 400 - now with 48K B-Key keyboard, and S-Video output. I dont use it often, but it still fires up a few
times a year.
On 18 Feb 23 06:25:52 Bikerbob wrote...
one of the most frustrating things with NEW LED/LCDs is that they
have no picture control anymore. I have an old atari with
composite out, gives me 80col - actually a really nice picture on
my LCD monitor - but I am missing the last 2 columns because I
cannot move the picture to the left :( you have to find a nice multisync or crt to get that to work, and then go through most
likely some kind of hardware to convert it to VGA?? too much work.
Bummer
To which Darklord replies...
Have you tried that Dell 27" monitor that everyone has been having
really good results with? I got one and am using it with my Atari
Mega STe and it's great. I'm using it with the Exxos version of the
UBE VGA adapter.
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Quoting Ben Collver to Cougar428 <=-
Re: My new* 486 (*=old)
By: Cougar428 to BEN COLLVER on Mon Feb 20 2023 11:18:00
Thanks for your offer! I'm interested in getting copies of your
original disks. I'm open to downloading floppy images if that makes
it any easier for you.
The rest of this message is an update about my computer:
I ordered a USB floppy drive to write boot disks and i expect it to
arrive in a day or two.
I replaced the CMOS battery and somehow managed to get Windows ME to
boot and shut down without BSOD. Now i have a "clean" filesystem to
back up. I don't want to run Windows ME, but i plan to back up and
view the filesystem in case it has any drivers or useful bits.
While i was at it, i identified the PCI audio card and modem. They
are both Windows-only and i plan to remove them. A friend offered to
send me an ISA SoundBlaster 16, which makes me happy.
The disk is actually 13.6 GB but the BIOS can only see the first 4 GB.
My old 400 is in my childhood bedroom under the bed with a dead power brick. I'm sure I fried it trying to make it work back in 1991. I
should pull it out and refurbish it at some point.
Daniel Traechin
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I'll check out what I have and see about creating images. I have a registered version of Winimage 10 that I can use to create the
diskette images for download. It creates .img files.
I also have a 386SX and I tried a USB floppy on my newer systems to
write files for the older system. I didn't have much luck with it, hopefully you have better luck.
I also replaced the CMOS battery on the 386 and the PC350 P90. I am suprised you got ME working, I bought that OS new and after
'upgrading' from 98SE, I had lots of BSOD's just using the ME OS
normally.
For the PC350, I purchased a 1 GB DOM on Ebay and formatted it with
PC-DOS 6, the system came with dual boot OS/2 (red spine so it can
also run Win31 stuff). I don't normally use OS/2 but boot to DOS.
To which Bikerbob replies...
yeah hear ya there DL, love that monitor, I do have one. But I am
talking about using an XEP80 on an 8-bit - it has composite out, so
need to use a TV/monitor with composite in (AV in) or convert that
output to something else. 8-bit 40col looks brutal on a wide screen -
I only use TV/Monitors for my 8-bit computers (As I need S-video
input anyway)
Bikerbob
Quoting Ben Collver to Cougar428 <=-
I'll check out what I have and see about creating images. I have a registered version of Winimage 10 that I can use to create the
diskette images for download. It creates .img files.
Thanks! I'm interested in obtaining the original disks in case the diagnostics prove useful in the future.
I read that USB floppy drives manufactured prior to 2004 are more reliable. I ordered a Sony USB floppy drive that was manufactured in
2001. It has been working fine so far.
The PC came with a box of floppies and so far they have all been
blank. About half of them are failing a low level format with verification. I'm marking the bad ones with a sharpie and using the
good ones.
I hoped to back up the hard disk to a USB drive.
That's fun that you are maintaining a DOS 386SX. Does it come from
the era before PC's had BIOS setup screens? What do you use it for?
I remember buying a used 386 for $100 and it seemed like such an
upgrade at that time. I bought a used VGA card for $20 from an older friend and that really opened up possilities for gaming. At the time
the school PC lab had a single 386 as the server and the clients all
ran real mode software. I installed Wolfenstein, Doom, and Star
Control II from big sets of floppy disks. I didn't have a sound card,
but Star Control II could play its soundtrack through the PC speaker.
The playback volume was quiet so i disconnected the internal speaker
and fitted a headphone jack into the case. Then i plugged in amplified speakers.
I hoped to back up the hard disk to a USB drive.
I used a 'Ghost 2002' boot disk to backup the original drive on the
386. Plugged in the DOM to the second IDE port and cloned from one
to the other.
I use the 386 for all of my old apps. I still use Lotus 123 V3.1,
Wordstar 7.0, dBASE III+, XTree Gold and all the old apps I started
with. Wordstar is the system I started using back in the 80's and I
still find it the easiest system to use for writing. It lacks
anything but basic image insertion, but if you need to type and are
a touch typist you can fly in it. And I love programming apps in
dBASE III, it's so easy. I have an Epson LQ570 dot matrix printer
that is hooked up to it for output. I use Colorado backup for DOS
with a T1000 drive for system backukps.
problems booting. So I downloaded the OS/2 Red spine edition and
the boot floppies from FSKTechnology:
tinyurl.com/bdfwwkcu
That's fun that you are maintaining a DOS 386SX. Does it come from the
era before PC's had BIOS setup screens? What do you use it for?
Nightfox wrote to Cougar428 <=-
tinyurl.com/bdfwwkcu
That's a cool resource.. I see they have some OS/2 software (and other things) as well.
Nightfox wrote to Ben Collver <=-
When did PCs not have BIOS setup screens? My first PC was a 286 (hand-me-down), and I'm pretty sure it had a BIOS setup screen. I
remember back then, for the hard drive setup in the BIOS, there were specific choices for the hard drive type and size in the BIOS.
Jumpers.
My XT had jumpers on the motherboard to control what drievs were present
in the system. Jumpers on the IO card controlled the port config.
Running a debug command from DOS got you into the firmware on the MFM
disk controller to do low-level formatting.
When did PCs not have BIOS setup screens? My first PC was a 286
(hand-me-down), and I'm pretty sure it had a BIOS setup screen. I
Jumpers.
My XT had jumpers on the motherboard to control what drievs were present in the system. Jumpers on the IO card controlled the port config.
Quoting Nightfox to Cougar428 <=-
problems booting. So I downloaded the OS/2 Red spine edition and
the boot floppies from FSKTechnology:
tinyurl.com/bdfwwkcu
That's a cool resource.. I see they have some OS/2 software (and
other things) as well.
My XT had jumpers on the motherboard to control what drievs were
present in the system. Jumpers on the IO card controlled the port
config.
My first hard disk was a 5mb full-height Tandon that I attached to an
Atari 8-bit computer back in 1986.
Same here. My first hard disk was a full-height 80 MB MFM disk and i remember Dad initializing it using DEBUG.COM and a cheat sheet. It was
the second loudest hard drive i have used. The loudest was a Seagate
SCSI drive from the same era. It sounded like a box of marbles dropped
on a hard floor.
My first hard disk was a 5mb full-height Tandon that I attached to an
Atari 8-bit computer back in 1986.
Tandon 5 MB
My first hard disk was a 5mb full-height Tandon that I attached to an
Atari 8-bit computer back in 1986.
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Tandon 5 MB
Well... let's just say that you would not want to drop it on your
foot.
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Bf2K+ wrote to Commodore Clifford <=-
I might have mentioned that this past week, I found a backup of my old Express v1 BBS from 1986. I set it up on a little test PC under
Altirra and when I logged in, it displayed the newset news which was
the announcement of the Tandon 5mb hard disk being added to the BBS.
I might have mentioned that this past week, I found a backup of my
old Express v1 BBS from 1986. I set it up on a little test PC under Altirra and when I logged in, it displayed the newset news which was
the announcement of the Tandon 5mb hard disk being added to the BBS.
:)
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