On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 11:30:03 -0700
"MATT MUNSON" <matt.munson@21:4/108> wrote:

I am thinking MUSIC and VIDEO could be merged to MEDIA or
ENTERTAINMENT. Maybe we can prune the echo list to the best 20 out of
the 27 we have right now.

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One thing I would like to see is a sysops area, specially for things
like hosekeeping, new and removed groups and the like. I don't have
time to check often and when I do, there's like 500 new posts. It's
hard to go through and determine which is important sysops stuff and
what's just chaff.

Pretty much every network has a sysop area for important notifications.
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One thing I would like to see is a sysops area, specially for things
like hosekeeping, new and removed groups and the like. I don't have
time to check often and when I do, there's like 500 new posts. It's
hard to go through and determine which is important sysops stuff and
what's just chaff.

Isn't that what fsx_net is supposed to be?

Andrew

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Re: Re: Merger of forums
By: apam to Nigel Reed on Fri Sep 30 2022 09:27:17

Isn't that what fsx_net is supposed to be?

I would say no considering the amount of junk that's in there like stats.
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On 29 Sep 2022 at 11:47a, Nigel Reed pondered and said...

One thing I would like to see is a sysops area, specially for things
like hosekeeping, new and removed groups and the like. I don't have
time to check often and when I do, there's like 500 new posts. It's
hard to go through and determine which is important sysops stuff and what's just chaff.

When you consider probably 95%+ of folks posting/active are 'only sysops' it seems a bit of a farce to have a sysops only echo. But in terms of the housekeeping info and stuff important to sysops I'd say this echo is the place to keep and eye on

"Discussions about fsxNet. Chat about current network operations, plans for the future and how to best implement them."

I do tend to post housekeeping to fsx_gen but could cross-post here also.

To be honest I wonder if we should have this echo as a mandatory sub so that admin messages always get through to bbs sysops instead of relying on posting to general echo... which was (historically) the all things to all people echo... and at one stage the only echo.

More to ponder.

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On 30 Sep 2022 at 09:27a, apam pondered and said...

One thing I would like to see is a sysops area, specially for things like hosekeeping, new and removed groups and the like. I don't have time to check often and when I do, there's like 500 new posts. It's hard to go through and determine which is important sysops stuff and what's just chaff.

Isn't that what fsx_net is supposed to be?

Yeps

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On 30 Sep 2022 at 02:39a, Nigel Reed pondered and said...

Isn't that what fsx_net is supposed to be?

I would say no considering the amount of junk that's in there like stats. --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux

Please explain... do you mean stats I posted recently when discussing should echos be retained or not?

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Isn't that what fsx_net is supposed to be?

I would say no considering the amount of junk that's in there like stats.

FSX_NET is a fairly low traffic area. I have around about 500 messages in here for the last year. The only time you'll see stats in here is when Avon is looking for input from the users of the net.

There is no sysop only area in fsxNet. I think that users and their input is just as important as sysops and that is why the area is open to all.

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Re: Re: Merger of forums
By: Avon to Nigel Reed on Fri Sep 30 2022 20:47:25

Please explain... do you mean stats I posted recently when discussing should echos be retained or not?

TBH, I thought they were something posted on a regular basis or something. Merging or not of groups really doesn't interest me any. I just add them when they're added and remove them when they're not.

The thing is, it needs to be clearly visible when I need to make a change on my system. I cannot check in daily, sometimes not weekly either, so it's easy to miss something. If the _NET group is supposed to be what other nets would call a SYSOP only group, fair enough then I'll pay more attention to it.
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Re: Re: Merger of forums
By: Al to Nigel Reed on Fri Sep 30 2022 00:50:40

There is no sysop only area in fsxNet. I think that users and their input is just as important as sysops and that is why the area is open to all.

Users don't maintain the BBS and or have to add/remove areas. Maybe I should delete sysops functions to my users :)
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There is no sysop only area in fsxNet. I think that users and their input is >> just as important as sysops and that is why the area is open to all.

Users don't maintain the BBS and or have to add/remove areas.

No, sysops do but users are free to read and comment.

Maybe I should delete sysops functions to my users :)

That might be a good idea. :)

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Am 30.09.22 schrieb Nigel Reed@21:2/101 in FSX_NET:

Hallo Nigel,

If the _NET group is supposed to be what other nets would call a
SYSOP only group, fair enough then I'll pay more attention to it.

It is, but it is not a "announcement-only" echo that some "big boss of
the network" fills with commands to the servants (sysops).

It is also for discussing changes like the possible changes in the
echo structure and other things that are relevant for most sysops.

At least, that's my understanding of it.

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Re: Re: Merger of forums
By: apam to Nigel Reed on Fri Sep 30 2022 09:27:17

Isn't that what fsx_net is supposed to be?

I would say no considering the amount of junk that's in there like
stats.

I think those posts are in a different echo now, like FSX_STATS or
some-such.


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On 30 Sep 2022 at 02:52a, Nigel Reed pondered and said...

Re: Re: Merger of forums
By: Avon to Nigel Reed on Fri Sep 30 2022 20:47:25

Please explain... do you mean stats I posted recently when discussing s echos be retained or not?

TBH, I thought they were something posted on a regular basis or

Yep all good, no I don't post such stats in this echo that often, just when discussing pros and cons of retention / removal.

something. Merging or not of groups really doesn't interest me any. I
just add them when they're added and remove them when they're not.

The thing is how to know when to do either? Addition is probably easy if the BBS is on auto-create but removal is another story I guess.

The thing is, it needs to be clearly visible when I need to make a
change on my system. I cannot check in daily, sometimes not weekly
either, so it's easy to miss something. If the _NET group is supposed to be what other nets would call a SYSOP only group, fair enough then I'll pay more attention to it. --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux

It was never set up as sysop only but certainly intended to be a place to discuss network happenings and proposed changes, seek feedback, debate the pros and cons etc. A touch stone for me at least to gather feedback and for folks to put forward ideas, talk about network operations. I'd certainly advise any major changes here and probably also post it to FSX_GEN as well.

The more I ponder things the more I think this should be an echo that all nodes are subbed to ensure sysops are at least getting packets about such topics.

The thing is, it needs to be clearly visible when I need to make a
change on my system. I cannot check in daily, sometimes not weekly

I should be using the fsxnet.nz website more often also to post such things up. At present I have been remiss in that and instead just posted changes to history.txt as we've rolled along. I'll aim to improve that going forward. So hopefully that will be another place you can check on from time to time and know if there's something worth noting it will be in the 'news' page or similar.

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On 30 Sep 2022 at 10:37a, acn pondered and said...

It is, but it is not a "announcement-only" echo that some "big boss of the network" fills with commands to the servants (sysops).
It is also for discussing changes like the possible changes in the
echo structure and other things that are relevant for most sysops.
At least, that's my understanding of it.

Yeps, the notes I plonked into fsxnet.txt for this echo show:

Discussions about fsxNet. Chat about current network operations, plans for the future and how to best implement them.

I think you're on the money there.

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On 30 Sep 2022 at 03:57p, Blue White pondered and said...

I think those posts are in a different echo now, like FSX_STATS or some-such.

Yep FSX_STA have echomail stats split off into that echo these days, they were all in the bot echo (file reports too) so some time back (26 Oct 2020) we created the STA and FIL echos for those things respectively. It means sysops can opt in/out of such traffic if they want.

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Re: Re: Merger of forums
By: Avon to Nigel Reed on Sun Oct 02 2022 20:00:14

I should be using the fsxnet.nz website more often also to post such things

I'm never likely to visit that website. Beyond getting information to subscribe to a network. If I hardly have time to reach echomail, I'm sure not going to going out to websites.

I may be the exception, I don't know. While I have some interest, a lot of the networks and echoes I subscribe to are for my userbase, what little there is, and not for my personal consumption, though I do participate from time to time. I have a busy life outside of the BBS world, and I need things as easy as possible for me to pick up important information without having to scroll through pages of dross to try and find something that may or may not be there.
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