I've never heard of a build script doing that (let alone Synchronet's

Me either... not in 30 odd years... but as I keep saying, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. If you extract the tarball, do the do whatever the hell that was, its to far back to recall, and the result is you have a raft of stuff missing permissions. Then? Shrug.


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Me either... not in 30 odd years... but as I keep saying, it doesn't
mean it
didn't happen. If you extract the tarball, do the do whatever the
hell that
was, its to far back to recall, and the result is you have a raft of
stuff
missing permissions. Then? Shrug.

It also doesn't mean it's got anything to do with synchronet, given that
it's happened to no one else, given that the installation makefile just
does not do that, means you're either lying, did something you didn't
know, or something else happened (filesystem corruption).

If it's too far back to remember, and you have no interest in finding out
what really happened, then perhaps you should stop pissing on rob's
project all the time. Stop calling it synchromess and implying it's crap.
Rob has put a large chunk of his life into writing Synchronet, and he
doesn't deserve someone making rubbish claims about it all the time.

If you don't care about it, and want people to stop calling you out about
it, then JUST STOP CALLING IT SYNCHROMESS. It's not funny, it's offensive
and uncalled for.

Andrew


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If it's too far back to remember, and you have no interest in finding out what really happened, then perhaps you should stop pissing on rob's project all the time. Stop calling it synchromess and implying it's crap.

To fair its been dead and buried for some time, only to attain zombie status and return. I'm happy referring to it as Synchromess as that's what it achieves for me. Take or leave it, I'd already left it....

Spec


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To fair its been dead and buried for some time, only to attain zombie
status
and return. I'm happy referring to it as Synchromess as that's what
it achieves for me. Take or leave it, I'd already left it....

Yeah, because every time you type about synchronet you write synchromess. Because you're either inept, stupid or a liar.

Can we all call you that? as that is what you are achieving here? Take it
or leave it?

No. I can't call you inept, stupid or a liar, because that's against the standards of this net. Yet calling Rob's project synchromess is ok,
because?

Why does this even bother me? I haven't spent nearly as much time on my projects as Rob has, Synchronet is arguably the best, most complete
package available now days for anyone wanting to run a BBS, and it's
free. It would bother me if some idiot defamed my project because for
what ever reason they stuffed up their file system and decided to blame
it on something completly unrelated.

Most of us know in this instance you're lying (or deluded), but newbies
not so much. It's unfair and uncalled for.

Stop it.

Andrew


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free. It would bother me if some idiot defamed my project because for
what ever reason they stuffed up their file system and decided to blame
it on something completly unrelated.

Ya see this is the completely close minded low grade moronic response I've
come to expect from certain elements. I'm sorry you expect I'm lying, screwed my own file system deliberately or accidently or whatever else floats your boat. You do not have to believe a word I type. However unpalatable it
might be every word I've said is the truth about my experience with my system trying to use aforementioned software. For what its worth, I've only said my experience is bad, this is what happened, never have I said its shit
software, there appear to be plenty of viable systems that run it happily out there. If someone pops up and says I'm going to try it, I will always suggest first trying it in something sandboxed just in case.

Spec


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I may have been a little to passionate in my last response. Sorry.

I don't really think you are a liar. I do however think you are
stubborn, and have put two and two together and got five.

I expect you didn't bother to investigate what really happened, and just assumed it was synchronet as that is what you happened to be doing at the
time.

There is nothing in the makefile that will do what you says it does.
Computers don't do things they're not told to. It just doesn't work like
that.

Andrew


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I expect you didn't bother to investigate what really happened, and just assumed it was synchronet as that is what you happened to be doing at the time.

At no time in my history using any flavour of linux have I ever seen a result as occurred while playing with Synch. You're right in that none of the subsequent repairs really inolved close scrutiny as to why what happened happened. My main concern was to get the thing bootable again given it was entirely non-functional. I did suck in a second tarball just in case, but
that was the extent of trouble shooting. For my relative skill level, and knowing if the same happened again I knew how to effect repairs with a
minimum of hassle that was it.

It could be something with the particular tarball I acquired from at this
point now places unknown. It could be something odd to my system, but if its odd to mine, could it not also be odd to someone elses? Just it's in the minority. I really don't know, and don't care. As originally covered I gave
it a go and it failed to meet expectations.

Spec


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Spectre wrote to apam <=-

free. It would bother me if some idiot defamed my project because for
what ever reason they stuffed up their file system and decided to blame
it on something completly unrelated.

Ya see this is the completely close minded low grade moronic
response I've come to expect from certain elements. I'm sorry you
expect I'm lying, screwed my own file system deliberately or
accidently or whatever else floats your boat. You do not have to
believe a word I type.

Nobody here believes your BS story about what happened. It simply could
NOT have been caused by trying to install SBBS.

When you keep doubling down on your BS, you keep making it easier for
everyone to not believe a word you type about any *other* subject, also.

Keep up the good work!



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I've come to expect from certain elements. I'm sorry you expect I'm
lying, screwed my own file system deliberately or accidently or whatever else floats your boat. You do not have to believe a word I type.

As someone who doesn't care to engage in any argumentative fashion, I /will/ say there is a part of me that is super curious how in the heck your file system/permissions/whatever to so borked here, I can't find a single step in the install process that would cause something like that.

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Re: Re: Synchronet issues
By: esc to Spectre on Thu Oct 27 2022 08:31 am

I've come to expect from certain elements. I'm sorry you expect I'm
lying, screwed my own file system deliberately or accidently or
whatever else floats your boat. You do not have to believe a word I
type.

As someone who doesn't care to engage in any argumentative fashion, I /will/ say there is a part of me that is super curious how in the heck your file system/permissions/whatever to so borked here, I can't find a single step in the install process that would cause something like that.

I don't know either. I've installed Synchronet in Linux, and it's just a matter of cloning a Git repository (or I suppose you can download a source tarball) and build it.. It's a fairly standard procedure, similar to many other pieces of software, and does not involve automatically changing file permissions.

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Re: Synchronet issues
By: Spectre to Nightfox on Thu Oct 27 2022 10:40 am

I've never heard of a build script doing that (let alone Synchronet's

Me either... not in 30 odd years... but as I keep saying, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. If you extract the tarball, do the do whatever the hell that was, its to far back to recall, and the result is you have a raft of stuff missing permissions. Then? Shrug.

You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS.
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You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS. -- digital man (rob)

Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do that?


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Re: Synchronet issues
By: Spectre to Digital Man on Fri Oct 28 2022 05:02 am

You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS. -- digital man (rob)

Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do that?

Maybe you're jealous of the *real* SBBS? <j/k>

More seriously, I've noticed from searching through your posts here that you seem enjoy disparaging very successful software and the organizations that created them with derogatory nicknames. You appear to get some kind of thrill out of that. Why? Maybe your therapist can tell us.
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Spectre wrote to Digital Man <=-

You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS. -- digital man (rob)

Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do
that?

That's the question we are all asking you to answer. We don't
understand why you'd do that either.


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Digital Man wrote to Spectre <=-

Re: Synchronet issues
By: Spectre to Digital Man on Fri Oct 28 2022 05:02 am

You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS. -- digital man (rob)

Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do that?

Maybe you're jealous of the *real* SBBS? <j/k>

More seriously, I've noticed from searching through your posts
here that you seem enjoy disparaging very successful software and
the organizations that created them with derogatory nicknames.
You appear to get some kind of thrill out of that. Why? Maybe
your therapist can tell us. --
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On 10/26/22 08:54, Nightfox wrote:

I've never heard of a build script doing that (let alone
Synchronet's build script doing that). I've set up Synchronet
in Linux myself and haven't seen that happen. I'd have to
guess something else must have done that..

It does a chmod towards the end... but would have to do something weird
with the make target to do anything destructive.
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On 10/26/22 17:40, Spectre wrote:

Ni> I've never heard of a build script doing that (let alone Synchronet's

Me either... not in 30 odd years... but as I keep saying, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. If you extract the tarball, do the do whatever the hell that was, its to far back to recall, and the result is you have a raft of stuff missing permissions. Then? Shrug.

Something like...

chmod -R a+rwX /sbbs
chmod -R a+x /sbbs/exec/*

Though if you started with the tarball (not the zip), exec should have
already been executable.

No idea what you did or didn't do as far as that goes.
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On 10/27/22 08:31, esc wrote:

As someone who doesn't care to engage in any argumentative fashion, I
/will/ say there is a part of me that is super curious how in the heck
your file system/permissions/whatever to so borked here, I can't find
a single step in the install process that would cause something like
that.

Other than manually setting the make target to something weird, or doing something else completely ignorantly, I'm not sure either... I mean,
maybe unzipping in windows and FTPing/copying files over via Samba, or something... No idea either.

Even the chown step shouldn't have caused an issue in practice.
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On 10/27/22 12:02, Spectre wrote:

You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound
like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS.

Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do that?

Maybe you're just psychologically incapable of admitting fault, or that
you might, possibly, be wrong and instead make asinine childish
statements about someone else's work to sate your own ego?
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Tracker1 wrote to Spectre <=-

You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound
like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS.

Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do that?

Maybe you're just psychologically incapable of admitting fault,
or that you might, possibly, be wrong and instead make asinine
childish statements about someone else's work to sate your own
ego?

DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner!!!

Game, set, and match.



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Re: Re: Synchronet issues
By: Gamgee to Spectre on Thu Oct 27 2022 08:12 pm

You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound
like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS. -- digital
man (rob)

Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do
that?

That's the question we are all asking you to answer. We don't
understand why you'd do that either.

I feel like there's some lack of understanding of OS fundamentals or something on his part going on here.. If it were me and that happened to me, I'd probably try it again a couple times to see if the problem is repeatable, and if it is, I'd probably ask questions and try to track it down rather than blaming Synchronet. Nobody else has reported this problem, so I don't think it's a Synchronet issue.

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Re: Re: Synchronet issues
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Thu Oct 27 2022 10:17 pm

It does a chmod towards the end... but would have to do something weird with the make target to do anything destructive.

I saw you had mentioned chown in another message.. I suppose there may be a possibility of something weird happening. It seems he's making a big deal of it though.. I'm not sure it could really do anything too destructive.

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Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Synchronet issues
By: Gamgee to Spectre on Thu Oct 27 2022 08:12 pm

You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound
like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS. -- digital
man (rob)

Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do
that?

That's the question we are all asking you to answer. We don't
understand why you'd do that either.

I feel like there's some lack of understanding of OS fundamentals
or something on his part going on here.. If it were me and that
happened to me, I'd probably try it again a couple times to see
if the problem is repeatable, and if it is, I'd probably ask
questions and try to track it down rather than blaming
Synchronet. Nobody else has reported this problem, so I don't
think it's a Synchronet issue.

Absolutely. It's clearly a PEBKAC issue. It's never happened to anyone
else, ever. It's either completely fabricated or some strange twist was applied to the installation that the author "can't remember" anything
about.


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On 10/28/22 09:49, Nightfox wrote:

It does a chmod towards the end... but would have to do something
weird with the make target to do anything destructive.

I saw you had mentioned chown in another message.. I suppose there
may be a possibility of something weird happening. It seems he's
making a big deal of it though.. I'm not sure it could really do
anything too destructive.

you're right, chown... in any case, unless you have a borked/odd prefix setting/config, then it should definitely not do anything destructive.
In the container builds, it sets to ":" as opposed to say "0:0" or
whatever, which doesn't seem to break anything at all. This runs for
every time there's a new release in a 24hr window and has (mostly) for
well over a year now.
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Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
By: Spectre to Digital Man on Wed Oct 26 2022 09:12 am

Wow, then you managed to do that yourself: Nothing in Synchronet
changes ownership or permissions of existing directories or files.

So I've heard, however it was the compile script that did it.. in the words of Ripley, believe it or not.

I've never heard of a build script doing that (let alone Synchronet's build script doing that). I've set up Synchronet in Linux myself and haven't seen that happen. I'd have to guess something else must have done that..

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