I know Politics is a taboo subject, however I will try to keep this focused on point.

Part of respecting one another is knowing there will be differences of opinion especially on very hot topics. Will go no further there.

I guess I find in question is the nuclear explosion within a family when these opinions are open topic conversations and one of the opposing sides push to always make their opinion "my way or the highway" point.

It is no untold story politics and polarization in the USA after our November elections and the overwhelming Win on a candidate. AND, the fury of the opposition over the epic loss.

The dilemma now is the nuclear waste fallout withing families "DISOWNING" each other completely. No communication, total silence and yes, the Holidays with family did not exist.

So, I guess the real question is simple. Is this appropriate and is this an approach to resolve?

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Re: Family vs Politics - Did this just happen?
By: Argos to All on Sun Jan 05 2025 12:42:02

Hi, Argos.

The dilemma now is the nuclear waste fallout withing families "DISOWNING" each other completely. No communication, total silence and yes, the Holidays with family did not exist.

So, I guess the real question is simple. Is this appropriate and is this an approach to resolve?

I suppose the right thing to do is to realise people won't have their minds changed, no matter how great an argument you think you have, so just avoid those topics and get on with one another like grown-ups. If you can't do that, though, it's probably better to stay apart - like squabbling children sent to their respective rooms, until eventually they miss each other enough to sneak across the hallway and play together again.

When I say "you", I don't mean you personally. Just the prospective arguer.

FWIW the strength of the division does seem a bit wild to us outsiders, or at least this one.

BobW
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I take it one side feels like a threat to the other (and not the other way around, I'd guess...), and the threat is not just 'political' or 'ideal', but they feel the whole population (right and left, together...) are under the threat of an attack on life itself. People will die (of hunger, of disease, of cardiac arrest, of deppresion, of sorrow... I know how snow-flakey all this sounds...), and that's why they wouldn't talk to relatives they feel are responsible for that threat is so close to come true.
I guess one side needs to tell the other: there's no threat, no one is going to die, just chill the f*** out. And if anything *does* happen, we'll fight against it together.

I don't see any other way trhough it.

Malvinas.

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Re: Family vs Politics - Did this just happen?
By: Argos to All on Sun Jan 05 2025 12:42 pm

Part of respecting one another is knowing there will be differences of opinion especially on very hot topics. Will go no further there.

I guess I find in question is the nuclear explosion within a family when these opinions are open topic conversations and one of the opposing sides push to always make their opinion "my way or the highway" point.

It is no untold story politics and polarization in the USA after our November elections and the overwhelming Win on a candidate. AND, the fury of the opposition over the epic loss.

The dilemma now is the nuclear waste fallout withing families "DISOWNING" each other completely. No communication, total silence and yes, the Holidays with family did not exist.

It seems to me that the US has been very divided since the 2000 election, and it has gotten worse with the presidential candidates we've had since then. And I feel like there are more important things to worry about, but many people are possibly too distracted with an "us vs. them" mindset about political views, and perhaps the political higher-ups are trying to distract and divide us.

Nightfox
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It is no untold story politics and polarization in the USA after our November elections and the overwhelming Win on a candidate. AND, the
fury of the opposition over the epic loss.

Huh? Harris - 48.3%, Trump - 49.8%

Where is this overwhelming win at?

I'm tired of letting people "make up facts" and I intend to be very vocal and call out BS when I see it.


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Huh? Harris - 48.3%, Trump - 49.8%

The popular vote was quite close, Trump received 2.28 million more votes than Harris. Not a landslide, but 2.28 million more is a lot of people. This doesn't elect the president though. The electoral vote was 58% Trump, 42% Harris.

It's interesting that over 90 million registered voters did not vote in the election.

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Dmxrob wrote to Argos <=-

Where is this overwhelming win at?

I'm tired of letting people "make up facts" and I intend to be very
vocal and call out BS when I see it.

Unfortunately, that's where we're at now. Fabricate the truth and enough
people will amplify it. You spend your time debunking the lie to people
who don't care and don't get to state your point.



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Matty wrote to Dmxrob <=-

It's interesting that over 90 million registered voters did not vote in the election.

Yeah, the numbers were atypical this year.



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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Matty <=-

It's interesting that over 90 million registered voters did not vote in the election.

Yeah, the numbers were atypical this year.

Not really. Statistically the same numbers as seen in other
Presidential elections. Nearly identical, actually.



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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dmxrob <=-

I'm tired of letting people "make up facts" and I intend to be very
vocal and call out BS when I see it.

Unfortunately, that's where we're at now. Fabricate the truth and
enough people will amplify it. You spend your time debunking the lie to people who don't care and don't get to state your point.

Can you admit that it's done by both sides, though?

Benghazi, classified email server at home, the Steele dossier, Russian collusion, Hunter's laptop, Joe's cognitive decline, more...



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Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Benghazi, classified email server at home, the Steele dossier, Russian collusion, Hunter's laptop, Joe's cognitive decline, more...

Hunter's laptop? Really?


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It is no untold story politics and polarization in the USA after our November elections and the overwhelming Win on a candidate. AND, the fury of the opposition over the epic loss.

Huh? Harris - 48.3%, Trump - 49.8%

Where is this overwhelming win at?

ok .. I am not doing politics ... lets start by respect first. even if it is not agreeable ... respect!

next lets look at CNN FACT, MSNBC and NY Times Facts

1. Electoral College - 2024 - 312/226
Historically - 2000 271/266 (BUSH)
2004 286/251 (BUSH)
2008 365/173 (OBAMA) Serious Spank
2012 332/206 (OBAMA) Another Ouch
2016 304/227 (TRUMP)
2020 306/232 (Biden)
1980 489/49 (REAGAN) My Boss and EPIC WIN.
See ... this was not only a WIN, it is the PEOPLES VOICE that spoke. This is exactly what I mean by respect one another, even if you do not agree. Find a a way to the middle and stop being so polarizing. You live in a Country that give you an opportunity to have a voice. There are places in this world that even a hint of LGBTQ would get you executed or prisoned. i.e. Indonesia and many places in Africa.

2. Swing States - All 7 and PA
3. The 48.3% - 49.8% is not relative and skewed because that was the biggest popular if states that have been BLUE for 50+ years.

4. CA Alone was and is a serious wake up call. the once very BLUE state lost its color to purple and the ONLY reason it carries BLUE is because San Fransisco, LA and San Diego make up way over 50% of the entire state population. So essentially in CA, three cities RULE the entire state vote. Trump LOST California by about 3 million votes. Shoot, the Population of the Bay Area alone is 7 Million with a Total Population of CA alone is about 38 million. So Loosing California by only 3 million is razor thin.

So...... Lets show a little respect and agree to disagree .. WE the People voted and Elected a person to represent US and U.S !!
Respecting one another and STOP the polarization of our county. Focus on being kind to one another, focus on respecting one another and for crying out loud, quit ya bitching.

I'm tired of letting people "make up facts" and I intend to be very
vocal and call out BS when I see it.

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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Benghazi, classified email server at home, the Steele dossier, Russian collusion, Hunter's laptop, Joe's cognitive decline, more...

Hunter's laptop? Really?

Well, yeah. The topic (in case you forgot) was how one side (the GOP in
your view) keeps repeating falsehoods hoping that it will be taken as
truth eventually. You don't think the Dems did that (denying the
contents of the laptop) in order to protect Joe Biden from being
implicated in illegal activities? Really?



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