So I was going to mount an external NFS to /mnt/somewhere and backup
that way, but have since learned that its not suggested or supported by ProxMox Backup Server... I now know.

I'm still in the Vmware world, been looking at proxmox as a replacement. Just haven't really done it yet.

I just purchased a Synology 920+ a couple months back and moved my VM backups to the Synology Backup software.

I used to do my backups with Veam.

None of this suggests anything, but possibly purchasing a NAS and setting up NFS that way would be a better option? You'll get more then a backup server but a full NAS.

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I'm still in the Vmware world, been looking at proxmox as a replacement. Just haven't really done it yet.

I just purchased a Synology 920+ a couple months back and moved my VM backups to the Synology Backup software.

How does that work? So you run VMware on top of whatever machine/system you're using at the house, and then just load the virtual hard drives from your NAS?

None of this suggests anything, but possibly purchasing a NAS and
setting up NFS that way would be a better option? You'll get more then a backup server but a full NAS.

Well I do have a large NAS, a ProxMox server (with all the production VMs inside that need to be backed up..), and several other systems around the house... Home Assistant, an iMac, etc etc... my PBS backup server backs all of those up; including the NAS.

However, I do want to get a better NAS setup. While I'll probably build my own, Synology machines really look nice.



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How does that work? So you run VMware on top of whatever machine/system you're using at the house, and then just load the virtual hard drives
from your NAS?

It has it's own backup tool called "Active Backup for Business". It's pretty damn easy to setup. You just add a the vmware hypervisor type in your credentials, and magic. It sees your VM's. You give it a schedule and a location to backup to.

Well I do have a large NAS, a ProxMox server (with all the production VMs inside that need to be backed up..), and several other systems around the house... Home Assistant, an iMac, etc etc... my PBS backup server backs all of those up; including the NAS.

I'm not familiar with PBS. I just backup everything to my Synology. VM's as I mentioned, plus I setup the Synology so I can do mac backups using Time Machine.

You can always build a NAS. Some like TrueNas... I have bigger headache to fry, so I decided to purchase one and just spend my time setting things up vs maintaining another server... Plus these use very little wattage.

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However, I do want to get a better NAS setup. While I'll probably build my Synology machines really look nice.

I have a DS1621xs+ and it roxx, it runs all my dockers. About 20 dockers, including World of Warcraft server. No hickups, 24/7 service. The thing with Synology is it just works. But dont get any low end products.

Was thinking of building my own NAS, but to be honest, I do not have time for another hobby project, or time to debug potential issues. That why I chose this way.

I got two wildcard domains with LetsCert set up, and all dockers and board can be reached with the proper subdomains, with SSL.

Synology gets a lot of hate from consumer market as they have vendor lock in hard drives, memory etc etc. But from a more business perspective they guarantee it works with those components.

Overpriced? Yes, definately-- for me it was between time and productivity. And productivity won.

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niter3 wrote to paulie420 <=-

I'm still in the Vmware world, been looking at proxmox as a
replacement. Just haven't really done it yet.

I just purchased a Synology 920+ a couple months back and moved my VM backups to the Synology Backup software.

I'm doing the same thing here - have a DS1010+ and an old laptop running Proxmox for my workloads. With 24 GB of RAM and 4 cores, it handles the BBS,
a couple of LXC containers (which Proxmox supports directly) and an Ubuntu guest running Docker containers.

There's an NFS mount on the Synology and I use the built-in backup in
Proxmox to back up VMs to it. I haven't played with their backup server yet.

If the original poster doesn't have a NAS yet, there are ways to get backups off of the Proxmox server - lots of routers support external storage and can make SMB file shares. I'm pretty sure Proxmox can back up to those.


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paulie420 wrote to niter3 <=-

However, I do want to get a better NAS setup. While I'll probably build
my own, Synology machines really look nice.

Synology NAS seem like a good fit if that's all you're running - it's got
mail servers, collaboration servers, DNS servers, VPN servers, even support for running docker containers - all of which I'd rather spin a VM or
container on Proxmox to support.

The hardware is nice looking, though.




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I have a DS1621xs+ and it roxx, it runs all my dockers. About 20 dockers,

How do you think this compares to the 920+. This is what I have.

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Synology NAS seem like a good fit if that's all you're running - it's
got mail servers, collaboration servers, DNS servers, VPN servers, even support for running docker containers - all of which I'd rather spin a
VM or container on Proxmox to support.

I have the 920+ with 8gb of memory. I found their vm solution was just to slow.

However, I run a lot of their services still.

I have a dedicated Lenovo ST50 64gb of memory. This is what I use for VM's.

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It has it's own backup tool called "Active Backup for Business". It's pretty damn easy to setup. You just add a the vmware hypervisor type in your credentials, and magic. It sees your VM's. You give it a schedule
and a location to backup to.

Derp, I understand... I thought you were saying you ran the VMs from yer NAS. I totally get it now.

I'm not familiar with PBS. I just backup everything to my Synology. VM's as I mentioned, plus I setup the Synology so I can do mac backups using Time Machine.

PBS is like 2nd backup level - it only backs up... ultimately I want to run it off-site.



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I have a DS1621xs+ and it roxx, it runs all my dockers. About 20 dockers, including World of Warcraft server. No hickups, 24/7 service. The thing with Synology is it just works. But dont get any low end products.

I got two wildcard domains with LetsCert set up, and all dockers and
board can be reached with the proper subdomains, with SSL.

Synology gets a lot of hate from consumer market as they have vendor
lock in hard drives, memory etc etc. But from a more business
perspective they guarantee it works with those components.

Yea, that machine looks awesome - odd that it only comes w/ 8GB of RAM, which is plenty for a NAS, but you got 20 containers running... did you upgrade that? I see the max is 32GB.

Overpriced? Yes, definately-- for me it was between time and
productivity. And productivity won.

I don't necessarily think so, altho their pricing is a little odd;
empty - $1599

96TB - $3279 Seagate IronWolf Pro
84TB - $3579 Seagate IronWolf Pro
72TB - $3219 Seagate IronWolf Pro

I'd definately jump for the big boy. :P Super nice machine man... I can drool over yours.



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Derp, I understand... I thought you were saying you ran the VMs from yer NAS. I totally get it now.

Well you could by setting up an iSCSI target. It's doable, I just don't.

PBS is like 2nd backup level - it only backs up... ultimately I want to run it off-site.

I used one of the few cloud backups with Synology. It's yet another service you run on it to offload whatever you want to the cloud. You can use their services or things such as idrive.

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I have a DS1621xs+ and it roxx, it runs all my dockers. About 20 dock

How do you think this compares to the 920+. This is what I have.

I think the 920+ can have max 8gb memory. And I think the difference between the CPUs ( Intel Xeon D-1527 / Intel Celeron J4125 ) is quite big.

But the 920+ will still rock on :P

oP!

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Yea, that machine looks awesome - odd that it only comes w/ 8GB of RAM, wh is plenty for a NAS, but you got 20 containers running... did you upgrade I see the max is 32GB.

Yes I upgraded to 32GB.

Overpriced? Yes, definately-- for me it was between time and productivity. And productivity won.

I don't necessarily think so, altho their pricing is a little odd;
empty - $1599

The hard drives took a bit chunk out of me indeed, and ssd swap sticks :P

oP!

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I have a DS1621xs+ and it roxx, it runs all my dockers. About 20 dock

How do you think this compares to the 920+. This is what I have.

Yours is better for Plex though with hardware transcoding. I had to disable transcoding because CPU usage flew to 100% :P.

oP!

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On 05 Dec 2022, paulie420 said the following...

I'm still in the Vmware world, been looking at proxmox as a replaceme Just haven't really done it yet.

I just purchased a Synology 920+ a couple months back and moved my VM backups to the Synology Backup software.

How does that work? So you run VMware on top of whatever machine/system you're using at the house, and then just load the virtual hard drives
from your NAS?

I have the same setup, I use Active backup for Business on my Synology to back up the system inside the VM, so it backs up like it is a real computer. Works pretty well.. Only issue right now is ABfB does not work well with Linux machines, thus my Linux setups are using Veeam Free Agent to back up.. Works very well especially when you find issues, I just recently had a Linux Crash on my Mystic board, I was able to get the BBS running again from a backup the previous night in so I only lost about 6 hours of posts..

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On 05 Dec 2022, paulie420 said the following...

However, I do want to get a better NAS setup. While I'll probably build
my own, Synology machines really look nice.

pAULIE42o
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Paulie, if you are interested in Synology, google Xpenology it is basically a Synology NAS on a real computer. I have a real Synology which handles my in house stuff, but I took an old computer I had, put 32 gigs of Ram in it with 4TB of HD in it, I installed Proxmox on it, then installed a Xpenology VM on it, I use that one to back up my BBS' and as a File Server as it stores my File Libraries. Every other day, the Xpenology backs up the HD's to the real Synology so I have a backup of that.. My BBS' are on a seperate VLan from my in house set up so it works real well for me as my BBS' can not access my in house LAN but my in house LAN can access my BBS Lan..

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niter3 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Synology NAS seem like a good fit if that's all you're running - it's
got mail servers, collaboration servers, DNS servers, VPN servers, even support for running docker containers - all of which I'd rather spin a
VM or container on Proxmox to support.

I have the 920+ with 8gb of memory. I found their vm solution was just
to slow.

Mine's an old DS1010+, it's only got 2 or 4 gigs of RAM. The price was
right, though - I got it at a tech thrift shop for $100!


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Paulie, if you are interested in Synology, google Xpenology it is basically a Synology NAS on a real computer. I have a real Synology
which handles my in house stuff, but I took an old computer I had, put
32 gigs of Ram in it with 4TB of HD in it, I installed Proxmox on it,
then installed a Xpenology VM on it, I use that one to back up my BBS'
and as a File Server as it stores my File Libraries. Every other day,
the Xpenology backs up the HD's to the real Synology so I have a backup
of that.. My BBS' are on a seperate VLan from my in house set up so it works real well for me as my BBS' can not access my in house LAN but my
in house LAN can access my BBS Lan..

Ahhhh; now this sounds right up my alley. I currently use OpenMediaVault, and its great... but was thinking of using TrueNAS/FreeNAS for the next build - but will sniff Xpenology; it sounds like it might be a contender.

Thanks.



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On 08 Dec 2022, paulie420 said the following...

Ahhhh; now this sounds right up my alley. I currently use
OpenMediaVault, and its great... but was thinking of using
TrueNAS/FreeNAS for the next build - but will sniff Xpenology; it sounds like it might be a contender.

It runs real well, Active Backup for Business you have to massage it by judicious googling to get it activated but the rest runs real nice.. I own a real Synology and I have an Xpenology running. Only issue with it is updating, you can't do it online it has to be done by downloading the file then installing it over the existing version.. Lets be honest though, if it runs you forget it is even there until you get an email from it saying a drive is full or something like that.. I totally forgot my real one was backing up to an external drive until I got an email saying my external drive was full and backups could not continue..

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