• ChatGPT?

    From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to All on Mon Feb 13 17:22:00 2023
    The 100 million user milestone - ChatGPT.

    ChatGPT just crossed the 100 million monthly active user (MAU) mark.

    Last month, ChatGPT broke records by getting to one million users in just five days after its launch. For context, this is something that took Instagram two and a half months to do. It took Twitter two years to hit one million users. And it took Netflix three and half years before it attracted a million users.

    So ChatGPT blew everybody out of the water on that metric.

    ChatGPT gets to 100 million users in just two months.

    This is the fastest software application adoption in history. Even Instagram took two and a half years to attract 100 million users.

    Of course, there are immense implications here.

    Just last week, OpenAI launched its $20 a month subscription program for ChatGPT.

    Microsoft now owns somewhere around 75% of OpenAI.

    I've watched a few YT vids about it and what it looks like. Seems interesting. It also seems that if could replace Google searches for info.


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  • From Mattermorphosis@21:1/172 to Ogg on Wed Feb 15 01:10:58 2023
    I like to imagine that ChatGPT isn't real, and it's actually a sweatshop full of really smart people who can type wicked fast.

    Neat technology. Also slightly terrifying to think where it could be in just
    a few short years from now. I don't like that it requires a phone number to sign up.. seems unnecessary for a chat bot.

    The ability for GPT to spit out functional software code is incredible. I had
    a feeling some time ago that this is why MS bought Github, I just never expected it to be so good

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Ogg on Wed Feb 15 21:00:52 2023
    On 13 Feb 2023 at 05:22p, Ogg pondered and said...

    The 100 million user milestone - ChatGPT.

    It will be interesting to watch the uptake of Bing with the new ChatGPT style 'chat' being added to it. I read the waitlist is now 1 million plus folks...waiting to get their hands on it.

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  • From esc@21:4/173 to Mattermorphosis on Wed Feb 15 00:27:43 2023
    I like to imagine that ChatGPT isn't real, and it's actually a sweatshop full of really smart people who can type wicked fast.

    I asked it early to tell me that the Chinese spy balloon was a hoax in the style of Donald Trump. In less than a second, it gave me comedic brilliance. Passed my own personal Turing test!

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Mattermorphosis on Wed Feb 15 20:48:35 2023
    Re: Re: ChatGPT?
    By: Mattermorphosis to Ogg on Wed Feb 15 2023 01:10 am

    I like to imagine that ChatGPT isn't real, and it's actually a sweatshop full of really smart people who can type wicked fast.

    I went to a conference last year, where the keynote got up and said "I'm sorry I havent had time to write a speech" and then proceed to open his laptop and type instruction to an AI bot.

    He typed in "Write me an opening speech about the influence of AI to business systems" (or something like that), and a second later it spat out two very interesting, on topic paragraphs.

    He then typed "include some statistics", and it re-wrote the paragraphs, and added one or two more with some stats and references to the stats.

    It was absolutely amazing on how quick and easy it understood and delivered what was asked.

    IBM has done something similiar - google "IBM project debater" and watch a debate between a machine and the world champion. I thought it was pretty impressive ...


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Ogg on Wed Feb 15 11:37:16 2023
    interesting. It also seems that if could replace Google searches for info.

    I'm worried about that.

    Not because of the tech -- the tech seems great, if flawed, as one would expect.

    I'm worried about it because I do a variety of things in my searches to look for specific topics. E.g., keyword searching where I'm looking for very specific things, and absolutely want to know if there's just nothing in the database for what I'm looking for.

    But search engines lean into, "well, this has _one_ of your words, so this is the best fit..." when I wanted a clean, "nope, this did not match well enough" so I could quickly iterate my search.

    And with ChatGPT, or AI responses in general, there's a solid chance that it'll give me something that sounds good, but takes significantly longer to find out that it's not at all useful to me.

    But I like the concept of the tool -- I just don't want it anywhere near a search engine, because it's a different tool, good at different things.

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  • From Mindsurfer@21:3/119 to Ogg on Wed Feb 15 13:29:20 2023
    ChatGPT just crossed the 100 million monthly active user (MAU)
    mark.

    has someone tried those AI tools on ansi logos and ansi graphics yet?

    Regards,
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Mattermorphosis on Wed Feb 15 06:48:00 2023
    Mattermorphosis wrote to Ogg <=-

    Neat technology. Also slightly terrifying to think where it could be in just a few short years from now. I don't like that it requires a phone number to sign up.. seems unnecessary for a chat bot.

    If it's free, you're the product.

    What concerns me is that as lot of people make money creating content on
    the web. Why pay people to write your web site content when ChatGPT can
    do it for free?

    The ability for GPT to spit out functional software code is incredible.
    I had a feeling some time ago that this is why MS bought Github, I just never expected it to be so good

    That is pretty amazing. Generating text is one thing, code a whole
    different level.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Mindsurfer on Wed Feb 15 06:49:00 2023
    Mindsurfer wrote to Ogg <=-

    ChatGPT just crossed the 100 million monthly active user (MAU)
    mark.

    has someone tried those AI tools on ansi logos and ansi graphics yet?

    I want to see how it would handle echomail replies.



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  • From Mattermorphosis@21:1/172 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Feb 15 11:02:13 2023
    Ya, this is why I appreciate that things like BBS and IRC exist.. here be humans.

    A good portion of the web is already AI generated, it's pretty easy to spot. The articles are often in long-form blog format, they ramble on with lots of filler content that adds nothing of substance to the topic, and broken up
    into multiple sections under subheadings. There is most definitely a pattern
    to it and it makes up a significant percentage of search results these days.
    I think a lot of recipe websites are using AI now too. I'm sure the quality
    of generated content will improve over time but for now it sticks out like a sore thumb.

    Sometimes the content is actually useful, but the human element is lost
    and they are devoid of any personality. And yeah, this is going to decimate
    the industry and the quality of the web if something doesn't change.

    Funny story.. I needed to bleach some white clothes a while back and went searching for information on mixing ratios and soak duration. It was surprisingly difficult to find this most basic information and I kept landing on AI articles. Soak time I was finding ranged from 5 minutes to 24 hours,
    with a number of articles warning that after 30 minutes it would damage the cloth, yet others were suggesting 8, 12, 24 hours or more. This particular topic seemed to completely confuse the AI bots, and I was getting results suggesting, for example, to soak whites in 24 gallons of bleach mixed with 1 cup of water for 48 hours. It was hilarious but also sad (and a little bit dangerous). I think the bots were learning from other bot content and it just spiraled into total chaos.

    I suppose there is always a chance the bots will destroy themselves :P

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  • From dozo@21:1/238 to Mindsurfer on Wed Feb 15 16:26:32 2023
    has someone tried those AI tools on ansi logos and ansi graphics yet?

    I tried to generate ascii art with it, but it couldn't produce anything useful :)

    dozo

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  • From dozo@21:1/238 to Mattermorphosis on Wed Feb 15 16:37:53 2023
    Ya, this is why I appreciate that things like BBS and IRC exist.. here be humans.
    Indeed!

    A good portion of the web is already AI generated, it's pretty easy to spo The articles are often in long-form blog format, they ramble on with lots filler content that adds nothing of substance to the topic, and broken up into multiple sections under subheadings. There is most definitely a patte to it and it makes up a significant percentage of search results these day
    True, but some humans can go on and on too ;)
    The problem I'm having with it is that any content it generates is based on what it 'learned' or what it has been fed. The internet can be/is a cesspool which causes the generated content to be biased on what it has seen and learned. The problem with that is: who would police the AI so it's not coming off biased?

    I think a lot of recipe websites are using AI now too. I'm sure the qualit of generated content will improve over time but for now it sticks out like sore thumb.
    It does. I wonder how long it would take before we are going to appreciate the content again :)

    cup of water for 48 hours. It was hilarious but also sad (and a little bit
    There's always people who take what they read for granted, so it IS dangerous :)

    I suppose there is always a chance the bots will destroy themselves :P
    I don't see Skynet happening anytime soon I think, hehe.

    Cheers,

    dozo

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  • From Mindsurfer@21:3/119 to Mattermorphosis on Wed Feb 15 18:45:36 2023
    Funny story.. I needed to bleach some white clothes a while back
    and went searching for information on mixing ratios and soak
    duration. It was surprisingly difficult to find this most basic information and I kept landing on AI articles. Soak time I was
    i just watched this video about why Google Search is broken. Quite
    fitting now that you mention how it became more and more difficult to
    find what you are looking for on Google.

    Good analysis by Enrico Tartarotti
    "What Happened To Google Search?":
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48AOOynnmqU

    Regards,
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  • From Mindsurfer@21:3/119 to dozo on Wed Feb 15 18:53:00 2023
    I tried to generate ascii art with it, but it couldn't produce
    anything useful :)

    thats what i thought. i also tried to make it generate some usefull ANSI
    CP437 based Logo, but i think the AI just has not been taugt about how
    that really works. Most of the time it came up with some easy ASCii
    stuff. Just some basic letters etc.

    Thats the thing with AI, it does not go out and learn everything there
    is. It is feed specific stuff. Everything else it just does not know how
    to do.

    And i think the guys at OpenAI are more busy with keeping it within
    virtual borders and to train it what not to do/tell.

    Who knows what really is possible if not working within the technical and idiological limits set by its inventors. It might be as well very
    dangerous to the humankind as musk once stated.

    Regards,
    Mindsurfer

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  • From Mindsurfer@21:3/119 to dozo on Wed Feb 15 18:56:04 2023
    The problem I'm having with it is that any content it generates is
    based on what it 'learned' or what it has been fed. The internet
    can be/is a cesspool which causes the generated content to be
    biased on what it has seen and learned. The problem with that is:
    who would police the AI so it's not coming off biased?

    maybe one day it is more about "parenting" the AI and teach it human
    values instead of just feeding it information. ..or how to switch it off
    again :) lol

    Regards,
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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Mattermorphosis on Wed Feb 15 13:44:57 2023
    Re: Re: ChatGPT?
    By: Mattermorphosis to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Feb 15 2023 11:02 am

    Funny story.. I needed to bleach some white clothes a while back and went searching for information on mixing ratios and soak duration. It was surprisingly difficult to find this most basic information and I kept landin on AI articles. Soak time I was finding ranged from 5 minutes to 24 hours, with a number of articles warning that after 30 minutes it would damage the cloth, yet others were suggesting 8, 12, 24 hours or more. This particular topic seemed to completely confuse the AI bots, and I was getting results suggesting, for example, to soak whites in 24 gallons of bleach mixed with 1 cup of water for 48 hours. It was hilarious but also sad (and a little bit dangerous). I think the bots were learning from other bot content and it jus spiraled into total chaos.

    Auto-generated webs have destroyed the usefulness of Google. Nowadays I have been experimenting with Searx instances using a combination of search engines that include mojeek and other smaller projects such as wiby.me. AI generated sites catter to google and bing algorythms so you dodge many of them using other engines.

    There are web engines designed to supply only sites that are not overloaded with ads. SInce auto-generated sites are created for an economic incentive, the idea of using these search engines for dodging them is sound.


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  • From Mattermorphosis@21:1/172 to Arelor on Wed Feb 15 16:41:47 2023
    Auto-generated webs have destroyed the usefulness of Google. Nowadays I have been experimenting with Searx instances using a combination of
    search engines that include mojeek and other smaller projects such as wiby.me. AI generated sites catter to google and bing algorythms so you dodge many of them using other engines.

    I've been doing the same. I have also started using oocities.org a lot (old Geocities archive). Although it rather ironically uses Google to search the archives, you can find some fantastic information there from back when the web was built with nothing but human-generated content and free expression was permitted. It's great for all sorts of stuff. I recommend adding it to your search arsenal for times when you don't need recent content.
    Usenetarchives.com can also be helpful at times depending on what you're looking for, though the search function is pretty flaky. Long live the yesterweb. AI can suck an egg.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Feb 16 10:46:47 2023
    If it's free, you're the product.

    It's still something new, so they're probably focused on making it good, rather than money-making.

    And I _have_ heard about them introducing a paid tier, so maybe it won't end up terrible for a while?

    What concerns me is that as lot of people make money creating content on the web. Why pay people to write your web site content when ChatGPT can
    do it for free?

    Depends what the content is, I imagine.

    "The stock market moved because..." posts can probably be well-replaced by ChatGPT, because it's not like people even know, anyway, so no penalty for being wrong.

    An accurate technical explanation of something is a bit more dangerous, as are reviews.

    That is pretty amazing. Generating text is one thing, code a whole different level.

    I guess it does well with things that everyone asks, repeatedly, with slight different flavors.

    I'm definitely tempted to try and use it to get me started in projects.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Mindsurfer on Thu Feb 16 10:57:08 2023
    maybe one day it is more about "parenting" the AI and teach it human values instead of just feeding it information. ..or how to switch it off again :) lol

    On the other hand, every time they've had AIs try and learn from humans, it... didn't end well.

    Maybe having AIs that share "my" values would work... okay. Then, if I believe something that's offensive to other people but not to me, it would still seem reasonable.

    And everyone gets their own AI, that reinforces whatever they already believe.

    ...nah, that still sounds dystopian, just like the present internet, but with more bots.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Arelor on Thu Feb 16 11:01:48 2023
    There are web engines designed to supply only sites that are not overloaded with ads. SInce auto-generated sites are created for an economic incentive, the idea of using these search engines for dodging them is sound.

    Do you know of an example of an engine that does this?

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to deon on Thu Feb 16 08:43:00 2023
    Hello deon!

    ** On Wednesday 15.02.23 - 20:48, deon wrote to Mattermorphosis:

    I went to a conference last year, where the keynote got up and said "I'm sorry I havent had time to write a speech" and then proceed to open his laptop and type instruction to an AI bot.

    He typed in "Write me an opening speech ...

    [...]

    It was absolutely amazing on how quick and easy it understood and
    delivered what was asked.

    Would the next person who entered exactly the same question get
    the same speech?


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Adept on Thu Feb 16 08:54:42 2023
    Re: Re: ChatGPT?
    By: Adept to Mindsurfer on Thu Feb 16 2023 10:57 am

    On the other hand, every time they've had AIs try and learn from humans, it.

    Sure, if you have a percentage of users try to convince the neural network that it is a flying pizza, they AI will start acting erratically for everybody.

    There is an article in this month's Linux Magazine about AIs becoming broken because they are passed botched training material.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Adept on Thu Feb 16 08:59:51 2023
    Re: Re: ChatGPT?
    By: Adept to Arelor on Thu Feb 16 2023 11:01 am

    There are web engines designed to supply only sites that are not overloaded with ads. SInce auto-generated sites are created for an economic incentive, the idea of using these search engines for dodging them is sound.

    Do you know of an example of an engine that does this?

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    Yes, but they have small indexes.

    Search My Site is a FOSS engine with a filter that detects pages with ads and does not register them.

    Wiby is another FOSS engine that attempts to capture the spirit of the old WWW. It has an indexing mode in which only sites with sane CSS and no bloat are indexed. The official instance has more flexible rules but it is still devoid of comercial content.

    There is also marginalia, which is still FOSS, but I don't know the rules for index creation.

    If you want to try search engines that use unconventional sorting algorythms, aren't based on Goole/Bing/Yandex, and have a sizeable index, your only options are Mojeek and Gigablast, I think.

    You can set a Searx instance and configure it to use the indexes you prefer, combined as you like them. It does not work badly.

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Ogg on Fri Feb 17 09:10:00 2023
    Re: ChatGPT?
    By: Ogg to deon on Thu Feb 16 2023 08:43 am

    Would the next person who entered exactly the same question get
    the same speech?

    If I was to make a guess - I would imagine, if you provided *exactly* the same instruction, you probably would get the same speech, if you did it within a short time.

    Since the AI is constantly being configured to learn, the data that makes the speech could change over time, and thus result in a different content over time.

    But if you asked the same question a different way, I would image you would get a similar, but not exactly the same speech.

    Might be a good test...?



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  • From nolageek@21:2/134 to Arelor on Thu Feb 16 15:43:19 2023
    You can set a Searx instance and configure it to use the indexes you

    Very strange - I first heard of Searx a couple of days ago and not this is like the 3rd time I've heard or seen it referenced in real life. Maybe we are in a simulation?

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to deon on Fri Feb 17 03:26:01 2023
    Re: ChatGPT?
    By: deon to Ogg on Fri Feb 17 2023 09:10 am

    Re: ChatGPT?
    By: Ogg to deon on Thu Feb 16 2023 08:43 am

    Would the next person who entered exactly the same question get
    the same speech?

    If I was to make a guess - I would imagine, if you provided *exactly* the sa


    Actually, I think the underlying library is configurable so repeating words or answers is penalized, forcing the system to rephrase the answer each time as not to be too repetitive.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to nolageek on Fri Feb 17 03:27:09 2023
    Re: Re: ChatGPT?
    By: nolageek to Arelor on Thu Feb 16 2023 03:43 pm

    You can set a Searx instance and configure it to use the indexes you

    Very strange - I first heard of Searx a couple of days ago and not this is l

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    I think it is just that search engines are becoming less effective and people is trying to savage what they can.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Arelor on Fri Feb 17 13:20:51 2023
    If you want to try search engines that use unconventional sorting algorythms, aren't based on Goole/Bing/Yandex, and have a sizeable
    index, your only options are Mojeek and Gigablast, I think.

    Thanks for the rundown. I'll try some of these out, and see if anything winds up being useful for me.

    I'm glad people are trying to solve this problem, even if it's hard to solve without the resources of a giant company.

    But it'd be awfully nice to have a web, even if less broad, that is more in-line with the interests of the end users.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Arelor on Fri Feb 17 13:24:30 2023
    There is an article in this month's Linux Magazine about AIs becoming broken because they are passed botched training material.

    Garbage in, garbage out, just like humans, I suppose, if in an entirely different way.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Mattermorphosis on Fri Feb 17 09:10:32 2023
    Re: Re: ChatGPT?
    By: Mattermorphosis to Ogg on Wed Feb 15 2023 01:10 am

    The ability for GPT to spit out functional software code is incredible. I had a feeling some time ago that this is why MS bought Github, I just never expected it to be so good

    I've tried having ChatGPT generate some code samples, and I think what it gave me was rather simple/primitive. One thing I asked it was "make a C++ parser in Python", and all it gave me was a Python function to verify the syntax of a C++ function. But there's a lot more to C++ than that.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Mindsurfer on Fri Feb 17 09:13:02 2023
    Re: RE: ChatGPT?
    By: Mindsurfer to Ogg on Wed Feb 15 2023 01:29 pm

    ChatGPT just crossed the 100 million monthly active user (MAU)
    mark.

    has someone tried those AI tools on ansi logos and ansi graphics yet?

    That would be interesting. I wonder if the AI tools have been trained on ANSI graphics though..

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  • From Matthew Munson@21:4/108 to Arelor on Fri Feb 17 19:50:02 2023
    ARELOR (21:2/138) wrote to nolageek <=-
    I think it is just that search engines are becoming less effective and people is trying to savage what they can.
    Search engines are highly edited. You can find editorial bias. But I am not going to go farther than that.

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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to Ogg on Sat Feb 18 11:32:01 2023
    Would the next person who entered exactly the same question get
    the same speech?

    Only if it has a really bad random number generator.

    ST

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  • From HusTler@21:1/188 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Feb 18 07:30:44 2023
    the web. Why pay people to write your web site content when ChatGPT can
    do it for free?

    The ability for GPT to spit out functional software code is incredibl I had a feeling some time ago that this is why MS bought Github, I ju never expected it to be so good

    I briefly checked out ChatGPT. I was under the impression it is a paid service. Is the wrong? Is it really free??

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to HusTler on Sat Feb 18 07:42:00 2023
    HusTler wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I briefly checked out ChatGPT. I was under the impression it is a
    paid service. Is the wrong? Is it really free??

    Freemium. I think they're going to have a free tier with limits and a
    paid tier.


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  • From DustCouncil@21:1/227 to dozo on Sun Feb 19 03:08:42 2023
    The problem I'm having with it is that any content it generates is based on what it 'learned' or what it has been fed. The internet can be/is a cesspool which causes the generated content to be biased on what it has seen and learned. The problem with that is: who would police the AI so it's not coming off biased?

    It's worse than that. A form of terrorism in the future will be poisoning the data vacuumed up to feed these AIs.

    The future is coordinated smears against people they don't like posted on
    blogs and social media, in the same way people do this now to mess with
    search engine rankings. In this case, it will be so that AI, having vacuumed up this information to form sentences, will deliver the smear in the same way as these AI experiments with chatbots go all Nazi, given enough time.

    I am not a Luddite, but the way we we are approaching AI right now, and I
    would question whether this is AI in the way we understand that term, is impetuous.

    What may stop it is a lawsuit when, at some point, a deployed AI gives incorrect information that gets someone killed. Imagine googling something about drug interactions, and one of these landfill websites which generates
    AI spew gives information that leads to someone's death.

    I am less disturbed by ChatGPT than I am at what has been written about it.


    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/google-engineer-claims-ai-chatbot-i s-sentient-why-that-matters/

    People are losing their minds.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to DustCouncil on Sun Feb 19 00:41:00 2023
    Hello DustCouncil!

    I am not a Luddite, but the way we we are approaching AI right now, and I would question whether this is AI in the way we understand that term, is impetuous.

    [...]

    I am less disturbed by ChatGPT than I am at what has been written about
    it.


    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/google-engineer-claims-ai-chatb ot-i s-sentient-why-that-matters/

    People are losing their minds.

    Exactly.

    A recommended read:

    The Myth of Artificial Intelligence: Why Computers Can't Think
    the Way We Do | Paperback

    Erik J Larson

    Belknap Press | Belknap Pr

    Technology & Engineering / Social Aspects / Computers / Artificial Intelligence - Natural Language Processing / History

    Published Oct 11, 2022

    ISBN: 9780674278660


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  • From claw@21:1/210 to All on Sun Feb 19 11:51:13 2023
    My worst fear is once its all in and normal the standard search engine will be retired and the AI one with is amazing ability to control the narrative will only let people see and hear thing is knows will steer minds to a single way of thinking. Creativity will be dead and any one thinking out side to box and isn't a slave to the elite ideology will be a pariah and shunned or arrested.

    I will take the tin foil hat off but we are the frog in the pot of water that is starting to boil. Some of us have jumped out the rest are just sitting there thinking it fine.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to All on Sun Feb 19 13:16:00 2023
    Hello claw!

    My worst fear is once its all in and normal the standard search engine
    will be retired and the AI one with is amazing ability to control the narrative will only let people see and hear thing is knows will steer
    minds to a single way of thinking. [...]

    The Internet Is Not What You Think It Is: A History, a
    Philosophy, a Warning | Hardcover

    Justin E H Smith

    Princeton University Press

    Philosophy / Ethics & Moral Philosophy / Social / Computers / Internet - Online Safety & Privacy

    Published Mar 22, 2022

    An original deep history of the internet that tells the story
    of the centuries-old utopian dreams behind it-and explains why
    they have died today

    "Many think of the internet as an unprecedented and
    overwhelmingly positive achievement of modern human technology.
    But is it? In The Internet Is Not What You Think It Is, Justin
    Smith offers an original deep history of the internet, from the
    ancient to the modern world-uncovering its surprising origins
    in nature and centuries-old dreams of radically improving human
    life by outsourcing thinking to machines and communicating
    across vast distances. Yet, despite the internet's continuing
    potential, Smith argues, the utopian hopes behind it have
    finally died today, killed by the harsh realities of social
    media, the global information economy, and the attention-
    destroying nature of networked technology.

    "Ranging over centuries of the history and philosophy of
    science and technology, Smith shows how the "internet" has been
    with us much longer than we usually think. He draws fascinating
    connections between internet user experience, artificial
    intelligence, the invention of the printing press,
    communication between trees, and the origins of computing in
    the machine-driven looms of the silk industry. At the same
    time, he reveals how the internet's organic structure and
    development root it in the natural world in unexpected ways
    that challenge efforts to draw an easy line between technology
    and nature.

    Combining the sweep of intellectual history with the
    incisiveness of philosophy, The Internet Is Not What You Think
    It Is cuts through our daily digital lives to give a clear-
    sighted picture of what the internet is, where it came from,
    and where it might be taking us in the coming decades.

    FYI.. The softcover is scheduled for release on Aug 15, 2023


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to DustCouncil on Sun Feb 19 11:19:24 2023
    Re: Re: ChatGPT?
    By: DustCouncil to dozo on Sun Feb 19 2023 03:08 am

    It's worse than that. A form of terrorism in the future will be poisoning the data vacuumed up to feed these AIs.

    That has been done before. In 2016, I heard Microsoft had released an AI chatbot (named Tay) that would post on Twitter, and within a day, people pollutted what it used to learn and made the chatbot post racist tweets:

    https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist

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  • From Ogg@21:3/110.10 to Adept on Mon Feb 20 10:43:00 2023
    Hello Adept!

    ** On Wednesday 15.02.23 - 11:37, Adept wrote to Ogg:

    interesting. It also seems that if could replace Google searches for
    info.

    I'm worried about that.

    [...]

    I'm worried about it because I do a variety of things in my searches to look for specific topics. E.g., keyword searching where I'm looking for very specific things, and absolutely want to know if there's just nothing in the database for what I'm looking for.

    Me too.

    [...]

    But I like the concept of the tool -- I just don't want it anywhere near a search engine, because it's a different tool, good at different things.

    I have a feeling that it WILL be the new search engine
    interface. We'll just get a box to enter our full-word query
    and it will spew out an answer. But perhaps the interface will
    have an option to use the traditional form of search results as
    well, that is until most (new/young) people only use the
    chatgpt version.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Ogg on Mon Feb 20 21:38:42 2023
    I have a feeling that it WILL be the new search engine
    interface. We'll just get a box to enter our full-word query
    and it will spew out an answer. But perhaps the interface will
    have an option to use the traditional form of search results as
    well, that is until most (new/young) people only use the
    chatgpt version.

    Yeah, and that's exactly what I'm afraid of.

    I'm not worried about new tools; I'm worried about the good aspects of old tools being lost.

    But that's probably hardly controversial to a crowd of BBS users, where we experience all sorts of good aspects of using BBSs, including that most all the content is made by individual users typing it out, rather than sharing stuff from other people.

    Or, heck, knowing _exactly_ how many messages are left in the current message base before I'm done with it for a while.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to claw on Mon Feb 20 16:04:28 2023
    claw wrote to All <=-

    I will take the tin foil hat off but we are the frog in the pot of
    water that is starting to boil. Some of us have jumped out the rest
    are just sitting there thinking it fine.

    Someone covered this in another echo/network. ChatGPT was asked to compose
    a poem about a former head of state. The bot declined on the grounds that
    the question was political. The question was asked again, asking the bot
    to compose a poem about the current head of state of the same country. The
    bot then spit out a very glowing poem of 12-16 lines.

    The bot already knows which politicians it wants to discuss and which ones
    it does not.



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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Blue White on Tue Feb 21 13:35:51 2023
    On 20 Feb 2023 at 04:04p, Blue White pondered and said...

    claw wrote to All <=-
    Someone covered this in another echo/network. ChatGPT was asked to compose a poem about a former head of state. The bot declined on the grounds that the question was political. The question was asked again, asking the bot to compose a poem about the current head of state of the same country. The bot then spit out a very glowing poem of 12-16 lines.

    The bot already knows which politicians it wants to discuss and which
    ones it does not.

    I'm not sure it's a case of 'knows' but rather there are predetermined 'guardrails' set that (in some cases) can be subverted rather easily by simply rephrasing the query in a different manner.

    With respect to Search I hope that we retain the 'classic' search options for years to come so that folks wanting to do their own further critical thinking and research on a given subject/topic can still do so.

    What an interesting time to be alive :)

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Blue White on Mon Feb 20 20:02:14 2023
    Re: Re: ChatGPT?
    By: Blue White to claw on Mon Feb 20 2023 04:04 pm

    Someone covered this in another echo/network. ChatGPT was asked to compose a poem about a former head of state. The bot declined on the grounds that the question was political. The question was asked again, asking the bot to compose a poem about the current head of state of the same country. The bot then spit out a very glowing poem of 12-16 lines.

    The bot already knows which politicians it wants to discuss and which ones it does not.

    That sort of bias in such a piece of software seems odd, but I suppose it's understandable as it was created by people who probably have such bias.

    Amazon seems to have done similar things with their Echo (Alexa) personal assistant, as far as restricting the kinds of things it will say/do. One example: One of the 'skills' I found for it is called Simon Says - If you say "Alexa, Simon Says .....", it will repeat back what you said. Several years ago, I tried that with one of the Simpsons phone call pranks they used with the bartender where they got him to repeat "Hey everybody, I'm a stupid moron with an ugly face and a bit butt, and my butt smells, and I like to kiss my own butt." At the time (a few years ago), the Alexa repeated that back; however, I had tried that more recently, and it just cancelled out after I said "Simon Says" with that phrase.

    Nightfox
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  • From HusTler@21:1/112 to All on Tue Feb 21 07:34:51 2023
    Several years ago, I tried that with one of the Simpsons phone call
    pranks they used with the bartender where they got him to repeat "Hey everybody, I'm a stupid moron with an ugly face and a bit butt, and my butt smells, and I like to kiss my own butt." At the time (a few years ago), the Alexa repeated that back; however, I had tried that more recently, and it just cancelled out after I said "Simon Says" with that phrase.

    Doesn't Amazon make an Adult rated version of Alexa?

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Avon on Tue Feb 21 11:55:57 2023
    Re: Re: ChatGPT?
    By: Avon to Blue White on Tue Feb 21 2023 01:35 pm

    With respect to Search I hope that we retain the 'classic' search options for years to come

    I expect the old search interfaces to remain functional for a little while longer, if just
    because replacing the old ones would mean withdrawing APIs and shutting down metasearchers.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to HusTler on Tue Feb 21 13:03:14 2023
    Re: ChatGPT?
    By: HusTler to All on Tue Feb 21 2023 07:34 am

    Doesn't Amazon make an Adult rated version of Alexa?

    I haven't heard anything about that..?

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Nightfox on Wed Feb 22 16:22:44 2023
    Nightfox wrote to Blue White <=-

    That sort of bias in such a piece of software seems odd, but I suppose it's understandable as it was created by people who probably have such bias.

    That is the conclusion of the person who did the test.

    Amazon seems to have done similar things with their Echo (Alexa)
    personal assistant, as far as restricting the kinds of things it will say/do. One example: One of the 'skills' I found for it is called
    Simon Says - If you say "Alexa, Simon Says .....", it will repeat back what you said. Several years ago, I tried that with one of the
    Simpsons phone call pranks they used with the bartender where they got
    him to repeat "Hey everybody, I'm a stupid moron with an ugly face and
    a bit butt, and my butt smells, and I like to kiss my own butt." At
    the time (a few years ago), the Alexa repeated that back; however, I
    had tried that more recently, and it just cancelled out after I said "Simon Says" with that phrase.

    So it will still play Simon Says, just not with that phrase? IIRC, that is from a Halloween episode where they spoof a Twilight Zone episode, with
    Bart playing the part of Anthony Freeman, the boy that you have to think
    happy thoughts around... or else. :)

    I can remember when the Simpsons first came out. They could be a real lightning rod with people who did not like them, i.e. the ones that did not like them REALLY did not like them.



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Adept on Wed Feb 22 16:23:35 2023
    Adept wrote to Ogg <=-

    I'm not worried about new tools; I'm worried about the good aspects of
    old tools being lost.

    Exactly. :)


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Avon on Wed Feb 22 16:26:00 2023
    Avon wrote to Blue White <=-

    On 20 Feb 2023 at 04:04p, Blue White pondered and said...

    claw wrote to All <=-
    Someone covered this in another echo/network. ChatGPT was asked to compose a poem about a former head of state. The bot declined on the grounds that the question was political. The question was asked again, asking the bot to compose a poem about the current head of state of the same country. The bot then spit out a very glowing poem of 12-16 lines.

    The bot already knows which politicians it wants to discuss and which
    ones it does not.

    I'm not sure it's a case of 'knows' but rather there are predetermined 'guardrails' set that (in some cases) can be subverted rather easily by simply rephrasing the query in a different manner.

    The only rephrasing was changing the name from the former holder of the
    seat to the current one, who is of a different political persuasion than
    the former.

    With respect to Search I hope that we retain the 'classic' search
    options for years to come so that folks wanting to do their own further critical thinking and research on a given subject/topic can still do
    so.

    With engines like duckduckgo, maybe. I'd not trust google and certainly
    not bing when it comes to eventually forcing users to the AI. There have already been some experiments with google and bing to illustrate how they
    will not show certain results, similar to the shadow ban algorithms that
    some social media platforms use/used to use until they got in trouble.


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Blue White on Wed Feb 22 19:13:23 2023
    Re: Re: ChatGPT?
    By: Blue White to Nightfox on Wed Feb 22 2023 04:22 pm

    Amazon seems to have done similar things with their Echo (Alexa)
    personal assistant, as far as restricting the kinds of things it
    will say/do. One example: One of the 'skills' I found for it is
    called Simon Says - If you say "Alexa, Simon Says .....", it will
    repeat back what you said. Several years ago, I tried that with one
    of the Simpsons phone call pranks they used with the bartender where
    they got him to repeat "Hey everybody, I'm a stupid moron with an
    ugly face and a bit butt, and my butt smells, and I like to kiss my
    own butt." At the time (a few years ago), the Alexa repeated that
    back; however, I had tried that more recently, and it just cancelled
    out after I said "Simon Says" with that phrase.

    So it will still play Simon Says, just not with that phrase? IIRC, that is from a Halloween episode where they spoof a Twilight Zone episode, with Bart playing the part of Anthony Freeman, the boy that you have to think happy thoughts around... or else. :)

    Yes, I tried that phrase again not too long ago and Alexa wouldn't repeat it. I remember the episode too. :)

    I can remember when the Simpsons first came out. They could be a real lightning rod with people who did not like them, i.e. the ones that did not like them REALLY did not like them.

    I was about 9 or 10 years old when The Simpsons came out. Maybe I didn't catch everyone's reactions, but at least with kids it seemed like a popular show.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Nightfox on Thu Feb 23 15:58:14 2023
    Nightfox wrote to Blue White <=-

    I can remember when the Simpsons first came out. They could be a real lightning rod with people who did not like them, i.e. the ones that did not like them REALLY did not like them.

    I was about 9 or 10 years old when The Simpsons came out. Maybe I
    didn't catch everyone's reactions, but at least with kids it seemed
    like a popular show.

    I was 19 and in college when they got their own show. I was probably 16 or
    17 when they first showed up as shorts on the Tracy Ullman Show. They were popular with college kids, too, but I did know some people who didn't like them... often the same ones who didn't like Bevis and Butthead a couple of years later. :)

    A friend of mine's wife, c1995, forbade us from watching the Simpsons in
    "her house." From that point, I never visited them on Thursday nights. :D


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Blue White on Thu Feb 23 22:20:44 2023
    Re: Re: ChatGPT?
    By: Blue White to Nightfox on Thu Feb 23 2023 03:58 pm

    them... often the same ones who didn't like Bevis and Butthead a couple of years later. :)

    A friend of mine's wife, c1995, forbade us from watching the Simpsons in "her house." From that point, I never visited them on Thursday nights. :D

    I haven't really watched The Simpsons or Beavis & Butthead in many years.. 1994 or 1995 was probably about the time I stopped regularly watching The Simpsons. I'm not really sure why, but when The Simpsons comes on the TV now, I just don't feel like watching it. It was always one of my favorite shows though.

    One of the last episodes of The Simpsons I watched had one of my favorite scenes, of Bart Simpson doing a megaphone test - He was in an abandoned warehouse and found a bunch of megaphones on a wall and lined them all up out the window to amplify his voice really loud, and it ended up sending out a shockwave that broke glass across town:
    https://youtu.be/oCyXsHC-lQ4

    I saw Beavis & Butthead Do America in the theater when it came out (1996?) but didn't watch the show after that. I did see the newer Beavis & Butthead Do the Unvierse recently, and I thought it was entertaining, but also about what you'd expect from Beavis & Butthead.

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