Mike Powell wrote to Nightfox <=-

One things I would warn about with an ubuntu machine... when a new
version comes out, you will want to upgrade to it sooner rather than later. They have (or at least did have!) a strange, not-so-debian way
of messing about with apt and their software repositories that results
in packages missing and/or just being skipped. If you are like me, it will turn out to be packages the system needs to boot and be
functional.

You know it is funny, I was just reading an article about how for a while now Ubuntu has been really using the SNAP versions of things, even when you ask
it to install .deb files. Even going as far as when doing updates and stuff switching from .deb to snap versions. Which as far as the author claims
will break stuff. My guess that is what you been seeing.

I use to recommened people try Ubuntu but these days I usually say either Mint or just Debian.



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One things I would warn about

with an ubuntu machine... when a
new

version comes out, you will

want to upgrade to it sooner
rather than later

I'm on Ubuntu here and it's been bugging me to upgrade for a while now (11 year old computer.. so I haven't). I'm glad I read this so I don't attempt the upgrade at this point.

Ubuntu has been really using the
SNAP versions of things, even when
you ask
it to install .deb files. Even

I get the appeal of the SNAP versions as they're all self contained but I hate how much space they seem to take up and how it seems to keep multiple old versions floating around of programs.

I have a little bash script I use from time to time to remove the disabled snaps in the snap list to free up some space.


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slacker wrote to nblade <=-

I get the appeal of the SNAP versions as they're all self contained but
I hate how much space they seem to take up and how it seems to keep multiple old versions floating around of programs.

I understand the idea of SNAP, flatpak, and even AppImages. There are things that I actually use that are one of those three options. And yes they do take up space, but for a few of the simple apps that I just use in userspace, I
am go with it. In general, I prefer the flatpak and AppImages to SNAP since I am not fan of going with something that really only one distro is pushing. I do get it from Ubuntu's end, after all SNAP is really their thing. However, I am just no down with trying to use it for all the userspace apps, which is where
Ubuntu and some of the immutable linux distros are going (of course something like SNAP does make sense for the immutable linux distros). Still one thing that I had to switch from the deb to the flatpak for was OBS. For some reason the deb version no longer allowed me to use OBS's virtual camera.

All that said, I prefer using the .deb packages if they are available.



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You know it is funny, I was just reading an article about how for a while now Ubuntu has been really using the SNAP versions of things, even when you ask it to install .deb files. Even going as far as when doing updates and stuff switching from .deb to snap versions. Which as far as the author claims
will break stuff. My guess that is what you been seeing.

It could have been, but I got the impression it had more to do with how
they manage their LTS and "for pay" releases... i.e. they don't want to maintain the full repository for previous releases because they don't want
you falling back to one.

I got that impression from some messages apt gave off during the upgrade process about some packages being removed but, as you point out, that could mean they got moved to snaps. Even then, you'd think they'd give you a
dummy package that would install the snap version so as not to break your upgrade. :/

I use to recommened people try Ubuntu but these days I usually say either Mint
or just Debian.

I have had a couple of massive failures... the one I described and another prior... with ubuntu. The first one was the reason I waited to upgrade the second one... I didn't want to be on the bleeding edge and have an upgrade failure because something wasn't tested enough yet. ;)

If someone really wants to use it, my suggestion is to be sure they keep it upgraded. If they are not sure, I would suggest against using it.


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It could have been, but I got the impression it had more to do with how
they manage their LTS and "for pay" releases... i.e. they don't want to maintain the full repository for previous releases because they don't want you falling back to one.

I got that impression from some messages apt gave off during the upgrade process about some packages being removed but, as you point out, that could mean they got moved to snaps. Even then, you'd think they'd give you a
dummy package that would install the snap version so as not to break your upgrade. :/

I have had a couple of massive failures... the one I described and another prior... with ubuntu. The first one was the reason I waited to upgrade the second one... I didn't want to be on the bleeding edge and have an upgrade failure because something wasn't tested enough yet. ;)

If someone really wants to use it, my suggestion is to be sure they keep it upgraded. If they are not sure, I would suggest against using it.

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Mike, Jean Parrot wrote in a Windows echo about trying out Ubuntu (which he abbreviated as U'U).

I d/l'ed and burned U'U 7.04 to a CD and played with it to see what I could learn about Linux.
U'U 16.04.3LTS is the last version I got and burnt to a DVD.
Also have a DVD of Mint Mate v.17 .

Never installed any of my d/l's , only ran them from the disc I burned them on to see what I c/would learn .

Haven't looked at any newer version since DSL stopped working years ago.
And I ain't gonna try getting a newer version since my web access is on a phone now.

Ed
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Hello Ed Vance!

** On Thursday 30.04.26 - 14:12, Ed Vance wrote to Dumas Walker:

Mike, Jean Parrot wrote in a Windows echo about trying out Ubuntu (which he abbreviated as U'U).

Awww.. that brings back memories. Jean was a fine fellow.



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