On 23 Apr 2025 at 05:03p, Adept pondered and said...

After finishing high school, students get a 'diploma', not a 'degree' least, where I am, I've never heard of ca high school calling it a "h school degree").

I suppose that does make sense, as the diploma is what you get at the
end of the education, and the degree is what you accomplished while
there.

And, since there's no specialization with high school things, you get
both diplomas and degrees in universities, but only diplomas in high school.

But, yeah, I was just thinking of it as, "you've accomplished this, so
you have a high school degree", but, without going down a rabbit hole,
I'd guess you're completely correct.

From what I can tell, the H.S. education is geared to creating employees, and the college education is geared to creating entrepreneurs. That's the way it seems to me in the US. Go to any small business in the US and you'll find that a good 90% of them are established by people who were not born there, but were from other countries. I live in a VERY small town. There are 6 active stores. Two are corporate dollar stores. Two are gas/convenience stores, one is a grocery/meat counter and the other is a donut shop. of the four locally owned shops, one is an old established business built up by locals. The others are from other countries.

It feels like to me that the US education system does nothing to teach our children to be shop owners or to be independent business owners instead of corporate workers.

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important, and one day your life may depend upon it. I am definitely a Mad
Man with a Blue Box."
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On 24 Apr 2025 at 12:27p, Nightfox pondered and said...

Isn't the degree also a confirmation that you've graduated and completed the program? My understanding is that the degree says you've graduated
& completed the program and are thus are qualified for the material covered in the program. Having a diploma to also say you've completed
the program seems redundant to me (and I don't recall seeing a college
in my area issuing dimplomas separately). I have an associates and a bachelor's degree that were issued to me after I finished the college programs but never got a college diploma issued to me.

The two are similar to driving. If you pass all the driving tests, then you can be considered a legal driver. The license you carry in your wallet is akin to the diploma.

"Amy Pond, there's something you better understand about me 'cause it's
important, and one day your life may depend upon it. I am definitely a Mad
Man with a Blue Box."
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On 25 Apr 2025 at 01:33p, boraxman pondered and said...

On 23 Apr 2025 at 05:11p, Adept pondered and said...

This one wasn't cut off, but did get scrambled somehow.

It's _mostly_ fine if you read it backwards.

Further education can be a liability too, as people are tau eht ot
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A very strange way for an SSH client to behave! To literally insert the same characters, but backwards at the end!

I have had this happen when I tried to paste text into the mystic editor. If I copy a block of text from another window, say 30 cols by 4 rows, mystic will paste anything after the first 30 cols with mirrored text.

"Amy Pond, there's something you better understand about me 'cause it's
important, and one day your life may depend upon it. I am definitely a Mad
Man with a Blue Box."
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On 24 Apr 2025 at 08:19p, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

One of the dramas I saw play out multiple times were committed same-sex
relationships between two women in college. Unfortunately, one of them
was more confident in their sexuality and their partner was
experimenting. As soon as they graduated, got jobs and started
associating with people outside of that environment, they chose to date
men and forget about "that phase".

It happened often enough that there was a term for it - LUG, or Lesbian
Until Graduation. Lots of heartache among my friends.

This reminds me of the running joke in that Charlie Sheen show Anger Management. He did group therapy for prison inmates. Some of them were ostensibly gay, but once they got out of the joint, the went back to being strait. They called it "Prison Gay".

"Amy Pond, there's something you better understand about me 'cause it's
important, and one day your life may depend upon it. I am definitely a Mad
Man with a Blue Box."
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... I don't want to go!

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On 26 Apr 2025 at 11:35a, Adept pondered and said...

There's a time and place for everything, and it's called college.

(I think that's from South Park. I don't fully agree with it, as adults should try experimenting, too. Though I guess even I experimented with living outside of the US by going to graduate school, and that stuck better than the US did, judging from the time I've spent in and out of
the US since then.)

Not to say that learning shouldn't be happening at any place an in any situation, but uni's whole mandate is to foster learning and by extension, new experiences. Uni is the one place and one time when all new learning and experiences are tolerated.

"Amy Pond, there's something you better understand about me 'cause it's
important, and one day your life may depend upon it. I am definitely a Mad
Man with a Blue Box."
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On 25 Apr 2025 at 09:28p, Alonzo pondered and said...

I've heard of guys "experimenting" in college too. And for some pepl I think going off on tangents and experimenting in college may actual be a way to find reality. As they say sometimes, you never know unti you try..

I could never understand why people just automatically go to college
with no idea what they want to study. I knew years before I started college. Maybe some people have money to burn, but I wanted to
make every day count. It took me 10 years to pay off my college
loans and I would feel foolish if I wasted all of that time and
money "experimenting."

Maybe that's why so many students change their majors midway through. What they thought the knew before going into uni had never been challenged before that. You can't blame a person for not knowing they wanted something before they knew what it was.

"Amy Pond, there's something you better understand about me 'cause it's
important, and one day your life may depend upon it. I am definitely a Mad
Man with a Blue Box."
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... I don't want to go!

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