• Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird

    From Tracker1@21:3/149 to Spectre on Thu Oct 27 16:36:53 2022
    On 10/24/22 22:01, Spectre wrote:
    What was this "observation" exactly? I'll look again through the history

    It's so far back now, I don't even recall.. but the upshot is, somewhere between it trying to compile and copy stuff to whatever the destination was, I ended up with a lot of screwed permissions across the system.

    No idea what you were doing then... generally, at least for a long
    while, the system presumes you are in /sbbs/repo (had a different name
    before repo when it was svn, but effectively the same) and installed in
    to /sbbs/* ...

    I've literally run through the installer (containerized) dozens to
    hundreds of times and never seen it mess with any permissions outside
    that path. (or whatever you set the make prefix to if you override it).

    Pretty sure DM has done it way more times than I have.

    If you have some understanding of docker, and ever want to try it again (though it's less than ideal for containerization), it's been running
    pretty good for me.

    https://github.com/bbs-io/synchronet-docker

    No idea who else is actually running it, but it has been pulled from
    dockerhub ~10k times. Maybe 50 of those are me updating.
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  • From Tracker1@21:3/149 to Digital Man on Thu Oct 27 22:08:31 2022
    On 10/25/22 11:29, Digital Man wrote:

    Wow, then you managed to do that yourself: Nothing in Synchronet
    changes ownership or permissions of existing directories or files.

    The nix install script/make-install chown's the /sbbs directory to the
    current user:group towards the end.

    If he did something weird with the base path make is using, it *could*
    screw something up.
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  • From Tracker1@21:3/149 to Digital Man on Thu Oct 27 22:16:06 2022
    On 10/25/22 18:01, Digital Man wrote:
    So I've heard, however it was the compile script that did it.. in the words >> of Ripley, believe it or not.

    Yup, I don't believe it.

    From most recent build logs...


    2022-10-24T15:33:41.1927621Z #14 [build 4/11] RUN cd ./install &&
    sed -i.bak '/git/d' ./GNUmakefile && make RELEASE=1 NO_X=1
    SBBSDIR=/sbbs install
    2022-10-24T15:33:41.1928333Z #0 0.124 echo MAKEFLAGS= os=linux RELEASE=1 NO_X=1 | tr ' ' '\n' > /sbbs/repo/src/build/localdefs.mk 2022-10-24T15:33:41.3281838Z #14 0.127 make -C /sbbs/repo/src/sbbs3
    MAKEFLAGS= os=linux RELEASE=1 NO_X=1 setcap
    2022-10-24T15:33:41.3282499Z #14 0.128 make[1]: Entering directory '/sbbs/repo/src/sbbs3'
    ..
    2022-10-24T15:38:39.6541494Z #14 298.5 cp -r /sbbs/repo/src/sbbs3/syncview/gcc.linux.x64.exe.release/syncview /sbbs/exec/syncview
    2022-10-24T15:38:39.6542080Z #14 298.5 cp -r /sbbs/repo/src/sexpots/gcc.linux.x64.exe.release/sexpots /sbbs/exec/sexpots 2022-10-24T15:38:39.6542521Z #14 298.5 chown -R : /sbbs 2022-10-24T15:38:44.4619882Z #14 303.3 chown -h : /sbbs/exec/*


    .. of course, would have required an environment change other than the
    default /sbbs for the make target.
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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Tracker1 on Fri Oct 28 13:27:40 2022
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Tracker1 to Digital Man on Thu Oct 27 2022 10:08 pm

    On 10/25/22 11:29, Digital Man wrote:

    Wow, then you managed to do that yourself: Nothing in Synchronet
    changes ownership or permissions of existing directories or files.

    The nix install script/make-install chown's the /sbbs directory to the current user:group towards the end.

    If he did something weird with the base path make is using, it *could*
    screw something up.

    Spectre said he used a tarball file, which doesn't use the install/GNUmakefile you're referring to.
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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Digital Man on Sat Oct 29 09:33:30 2022
    Digital Man wrote to Tracker1 <=-

    Spectre said he used a tarball file, which doesn't use the install/GNUmakefile you're referring to. --
    digital man (rob)

    Would accidentally doing some/all of the steps as su cause an issue like
    that (I forget which user he said owned the files, if he did)?


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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Blue White on Sat Oct 29 10:36:37 2022
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Blue White to Digital Man on Sat Oct 29 2022 09:33 am

    Digital Man wrote to Tracker1 <=-

    Spectre said he used a tarball file, which doesn't use the install/GNUmakefile you're referring to. --

    Would accidentally doing some/all of the steps as su cause an issue like that (I forget which user he said owned the files, if he did)?

    No, that'd just make most (or all, if using the tarball method) of the files installed owned as the su'd user.
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  • From Tracker1@21:3/149 to Digital Man on Tue Nov 1 20:32:45 2022
    On 10/28/22 13:27, Digital Man wrote:

    Spectre said he used a tarball file, which doesn't use the install/GNUmakefile you're referring to.

    definitely pebkac issue then.
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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Spectre on Sat Oct 22 19:17:22 2022
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Spectre to Gamgee on Wed Aug 10 2022 08:35 am

    Well, no need to be insulting about it. It's arguably the most used BBS package in use today.

    Have you ever brought up this installer problem for discussion?
    Haven't ever heard anybody else say they've seen that happen. Ever. <SHRUG>

    As you say, SHRUG.. I did mention it in passing some time back... got the you must be doing something wrong...

    Did you mention it (in passing or otherwise) in any Synchronet support forum? It certainly doesn't sound familiar to me.

    but over clean install or existing
    server it ate the thing alive... at this point it doesn't really matter I'm not trying again. :) Since then SynchroMess has been my name for it...

    That's mature and helpful of you.
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Digital Man on Mon Oct 24 09:58:00 2022
    Did you mention it (in passing or otherwise) in any Synchronet support forum? It certainly doesn't sound familiar to me.

    No, I've not been near any Synchro support forums. Just mentioned it here, after all it just went into the to hard basket, not wanting to add any other risk to my single server setup.

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Spectre on Sun Oct 23 19:37:08 2022
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Spectre to Digital Man on Mon Oct 24 2022 09:58 am

    Did you mention it (in passing or otherwise) in any Synchronet support forum? It certainly doesn't sound familiar to me.

    No, I've not been near any Synchro support forums. Just mentioned it here, after all it just went into the to hard basket, not wanting to add any other risk to my single server setup.

    Okay, but mentioning it here (rather than an actual Synchronet support forum) isn't likely to resolve the problem, so you weren't really serious about finding and fixing the issue in the first place. Just something to complain about.

    You are likely the only sysop still running that *other* SBBS, so more power to you: I certainly wouldn't try to talk you into switching to Synchronet. But if you ever at least wanted to try it again, there's plenty of help available if you need it: http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:support
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Digital Man on Mon Oct 24 16:53:00 2022
    Okay, but mentioning it here (rather than an actual Synchronet support forum) isn't likely to resolve the problem, so you weren't really serious about finding and fixing the issue in the first place. Just something to complain about.

    I did make the point, a fix was off the table, and if I recall right, the original was merely an observation of what I'd been poking about with and
    what the results were. No real complaint as such. I gave it a go, ran enough repair to keep the system running, gave it a second go with the same result, and thats it. I'm not interested in trying any further with my limited resources. Unfortunately one of the results was the "true believers" denied the observations and wanted to go to war over it. Not just take it as an observation and move on.

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Spectre on Mon Oct 24 11:53:27 2022
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Spectre to Digital Man on Mon Oct 24 2022 04:53 pm

    Okay, but mentioning it here (rather than an actual Synchronet support forum) isn't likely to resolve the problem, so you weren't really serious about finding and fixing the issue in the first place. Just something to complain about.

    I did make the point, a fix was off the table, and if I recall right, the original was merely an observation of what I'd been poking about with and what the results were.

    "A fix", assuming there's an issue, is never off the table. It sounds like you were conversing with people that don't have a say in what is on or off the table, or there actually wasn't anything to be fixed in the first place. I can't tell which it is, because you've provided no details.

    No real complaint as such.

    What is "Synchromess" then?

    I gave it a go, ran
    enough repair to keep the system running, gave it a second go with the same result, and thats it. I'm not interested in trying any further with my limited resources. Unfortunately one of the results was the "true believers" denied the observations and wanted to go to war over it. Not just take it as an observation and move on.

    What was this "observation" exactly? I'll look again through the history of your posts in this echo, but so far, I haven't seen it.
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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Digital Man on Mon Oct 24 20:06:00 2022
    Digital Man wrote to Spectre <=-

    I gave it a go, ran
    enough repair to keep the system running, gave it a second go with the same result, and thats it. I'm not interested in trying any further with my limited resources. Unfortunately one of the results was the "true believers" denied the observations and wanted to go to war over it. Not just take it as an observation and move on.

    What was this "observation" exactly? I'll look again through the
    history of your posts in this echo, but so far, I haven't seen
    it.

    I may be able to answer this, as it was me who was questioning him
    previously on what happened, at least until he got all butt-hurt and
    didn't want to talk about it any more.

    Going from memory, but I think he "observed" that the SBBS installer
    (which of course there isn't even one of in Linux), completely trashed
    (as in deleted entire directories) his hard disk. Twice, on two
    attempts. I told him I didn't think that was possible, and that I've
    never heard of that ever happening to anyone else, ever. That's about
    as far as it got.

    Hopefully he'll expand/clarify on all that.



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Digital Man on Tue Oct 25 15:01:00 2022
    What is "Synchromess" then?

    The result.

    What was this "observation" exactly? I'll look again through the history

    It's so far back now, I don't even recall.. but the upshot is, somewhere between it trying to compile and copy stuff to whatever the destination was,
    I ended up with a lot of screwed permissions across the system.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Gamgee on Tue Oct 25 15:13:00 2022
    I may be able to answer this, as it was me who was questioning him previously on what happened, at least until he got all butt-hurt and didn't want to talk about it any more.

    There's no point trying to discuss anything with you, as you're butt hurt
    about any discussion you enter into, and something thats never going to see a resolution. So as before... here endeth the penetration.

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Spectre on Tue Oct 25 11:29:20 2022
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Spectre to Digital Man on Tue Oct 25 2022 03:01 pm

    What is "Synchromess" then?

    The result.

    You should call that "Spectremess" in that case, since you made it.

    What was this "observation" exactly? I'll look again through the history

    It's so far back now, I don't even recall.. but the upshot is, somewhere between it trying to compile and copy stuff to whatever the destination was, I ended up with a lot of screwed permissions across the system.

    Wow, then you managed to do that yourself: Nothing in Synchronet changes ownership or permissions of existing directories or files.
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Digital Man on Wed Oct 26 09:12:00 2022
    What is "Synchromess" then?

    > The result.

    You should call that "Spectremess" in that case, since you made it.

    Chuckle, couldn't have done it without you..

    Wow, then you managed to do that yourself: Nothing in Synchronet changes ownership or permissions of existing directories or files. -- digital

    So I've heard, however it was the compile script that did it.. in the words
    of Ripley, believe it or not.

    Spec


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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Spectre on Tue Oct 25 18:01:07 2022
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Spectre to Digital Man on Wed Oct 26 2022 09:12 am

    What is "Synchromess" then?

    > The result.

    You should call that "Spectremess" in that case, since you made it.

    Chuckle, couldn't have done it without you..

    Wow, then you managed to do that yourself: Nothing in Synchronet changes ownership or permissions of existing directories or files. -- digital

    So I've heard, however it was the compile script that did it.. in the words of Ripley, believe it or not.

    Yup, I don't believe it.
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Digital Man on Wed Oct 26 15:07:00 2022
    Yup, I don't believe it. -- digital man (rob)

    Shrug, you don't have to...


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Spectre on Wed Oct 26 07:52:00 2022
    Spectre wrote to Digital Man <=-

    What is "Synchromess" then?

    The result.

    You should call that "Spectremess" in that case, since you made it.

    Chuckle, couldn't have done it without you..

    Wow, then you managed to do that yourself: Nothing in Synchronet changes ownership or permissions of existing directories or files.

    So I've heard, however it was the compile script that did it.. in
    the words of Ripley, believe it or not.

    He doesn't believe it, nor does anyone else. The reason is quite
    simple, as he said above, the build script does nothing that could cause
    what you observed. It's just not possible. Something else that YOU DID
    is what caused your "problem".

    The End.


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