I know this is a very subjective thing and I say to each their
own (amen!) but for me personally, emulation will never ever
satisfy my own personal retro needs.
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I actually "discovered" your BBS for the first time yesterday and am
having fun exploring the Atari BBS games :) I hadn't seen those
growing up, super neat.
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I actually "discovered" your BBS for the first time yesterday and am
having fun exploring the Atari BBS games :) I hadn't seen those
growing up, super neat.
I know this is a very subjective thing and I say to each their own
(amen!) but for me personally, emulation will never ever satisfy my
own personal retro needs.
Retro gaming is an expensive hobby. Much worse than other hobbies. I have to set a budget an
I want to collect Game Cube, Nintendo DS/3DS and some PS1/PS2 games. PS3 is largely an abomi
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Retro gaming is an expensive hobby. Much worse than other hobbies. I have to set a budget and figure out what I actually want.
I want to collect Game Cube, Nintendo DS/3DS and some PS1/PS2 games. PS3 is largely an abomination.
Retro gaming is an expensive hobby. Much worse than other hobbies. I to set a budget and figure out what I actually want.
I want to collect Game Cube, Nintendo DS/3DS and some PS1/PS2 games. is largely an abomination.
Yes, if you want to collect the actual physical systems and media, it could get expensive.. Sometimes I've contemplated collecting some retro consoles and games, but I'm not sure I want to put so much money into
it. Last year I bought a Nintendo 64 and a Super Nintendo and some
games, but I realized I tend to use emulation a lot more often than playing the physical systems, so I sold them.
I do like retro gaming, and I've tended to go the route of emulation. There are so many ways to emulate retro game consoles these days.. I've been using emulators on my PC for years, but now you can also mod some consoles (such as a Nintendo Wii or an X-Box) to run emulators and retro games; there are also retro handheld game systems you can use to run emulators on; I've also seen emulators for smartphones. There's also
the more recent wave of the official 'Mini' emulator consoles - It
started with Nintendo and their NES Classic Mini and SNES Classic Mini, and now Sega has made something similar for their Genesis, NEC has made
a similar one for their TurboGrafX-16, and Sony has made a mini Playstation emulator console. There are ways to mod them to add more ROMS, too (and emulators for other systems).
There are also some various Raspberry Pi mods to put together a retro
game emulator console.
Nightfox
I go for emulation as well. I do have a real C64 with disk and tape drive, and a CRT TV, so I can experience the "authentic" thing, but the emulator is what I tend to use, when and if I want to try the C64, which isn't that often.
Retro gaming is an expensive hobby. Much worse than other hobbies. I
have to set a budget and figure out what I actually want.
I want to collect Game Cube, Nintendo DS/3DS and some PS1/PS2 games. PS3 is largely an abomination.
The problem with the retro-fad is this hardware won't last. It's old, and sadly, will die with replacement chips hard to get. You're only one hardware fault away from your machine not working. Disks and tapes WILL degrade. I've had old 5 1/4 inch floppies shed magentic material onto the drive heads of my 1.2M drives, which needed a pull apart and clean. Power supplies die.
If you can't do complex repairs, then its not a good investment.
For running software, emulation all the way. I only really want the old hardware for two reasons.
For emulation look into RetroArch. It is multi-platform both in terms of what it runs on and what it emulates (through "cores").
The problem with the retro-fad is this hardware won't last. It's old, sadly, will die with replacement chips hard to get. You're only one hardware fault away from your machine not working. Disks and tapes WI degrade. I've had old 5 1/4 inch floppies shed magentic material onto drive heads of my 1.2M drives, which needed a pull apart and clean. P supplies die.
If you can't do complex repairs, then its not a good investment.
For running software, emulation all the way. I only really want the o hardware for two reasons.
Yeah, the aging hardware is a problem. At least we do have emulation so that we can still run the software. And sometimes there are modern solutions that look a bit like a classic machine, such as this RetroFlag GPi2 gaming case (for a Raspberry Pi CM4) that looks a bit like an original Nintendo Game Boy: https://retroflag.com/gpi_case_2.html
Nightfox
Retro gaming is an expensive hobby. Much worse than other hobbies. I
have to set a budget and figure out what I actually want.
This is why some folks resort to piracy to get their retro games. I mean if you really want something affordable, just nab a flash cartridge with
a microSD card for your console. Even virtual boy has one nowadays.
You'll probably have to get creative for stuff that uses discs, but
still, just downloading the games and putting on a flash cart is more affordable than anything nowadays.
I swear, unless we can somehow combat price inflation for retro games,
the only way you can even play one of these things in the future is
either hand-me-downs or having the GDP of a small town to buy everything you need. --- SBBSecho 3.20-Win32
Yeah, this is what depresses me about the whole thing. I really enjoy playing games the way most people would have back in the day, with an unmodded console (with the exception of maybe chips to play CD-Rs) on a CRT with original media. However, with the prices of games right now, I don't blame people for just emulating everything instead.
That's fair, some people prefer the convenience of emulation. For me personally, it just feels very off. I only use emulation as a last
resort. I am glad it;s a thing, though, for archival purposes, and it
makes homebrew development a lot easier! :D
On 19 Mar 23 01:52:06 Cobradile wrote...
That's fair, some people prefer the convenience of emulation. For
me personally, it just feels very off. I only use emulation as a
last resort. I am glad it;s a thing, though, for archival
purposes, and it makes homebrew development a lot easier! :D
To which Darklord replies...
Totally agree. Emulation will never hold the appeal for me that the
actual hardware does. Yeah, it's cool, it's amazing and there are incredibly talented people supporting it. It will just never be the
same for me to sit down at a Windows PC and start an emulator for my
Atari ST as it is to sit down in front of my Mega ST4, Mega STe or
STacy and actually use them. I'm a dinosaur - sue me. :)
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On 19 Mar 23 01:52:06 Cobradile wrote...
That's fair, some people prefer the convenience of emulation. For
me personally, it just feels very off. I only use emulation as a
last resort. I am glad it;s a thing, though, for archival
purposes, and it makes homebrew development a lot easier! :D
To which Darklord replies...
Totally agree. Emulation will never hold the appeal for me that the
actual hardware does. Yeah, it's cool, it's amazing and there are incredibly talented people supporting it. It will just never be the
same for me to sit down at a Windows PC and start an emulator for my
Atari ST as it is to sit down in front of my Mega ST4, Mega STe or
STacy and actually use them. I'm a dinosaur - sue me. :)
That's the cool thing about retro - all the stuff we missed in our youth we can relive now. :)
Nightfox wrote to Cobradile <=-
A couple years ago, I bought a Super Nintendo and a Nintendo 64 with
some games, intending to set them up and play them. I thought it would
be fun to play some of the games on the actual hardware. However, I
ended up not really feeling very motivated to set them up, and I felt
like the consoles would add clutter to my space. I felt like I'd prefer emulating them on some of the devices I already have. I have a
Nintendo Wii that I've modded and installed emulators on, and it can emulate muultiple systems. I can also emulate multiple systems on my desktop PC.
Goldeneye is on XBox now :-)
Oh yeah, I love all the exciting "new" stuff that's been engineered for
my Atari's. Mass storage with devices like the Ultrasatan (2 SD card slots), accelerators, RAM add-ons, TOS decoders, and on and on and on...
That should keep you busy for a while... :)
That should keep you busy for a while... :)
Thanks :)
Yeah, I think the major thing that I'm trying to wrap my head around
is what TOS I should use and how to install the accelerator. So far everything else seems pretty straightforward. But now I have a lot of
money I'm going to wind up spending, thanks for the links haha.
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That should keep you busy for a while... :)
Thanks :)
Yeah, I think the major thing that I'm trying to wrap my head around
is what TOS I should use and how to install the accelerator. So far everything else seems pretty straightforward. But now I have a lot of
money I'm going to wind up spending, thanks for the links haha.
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That should keep you busy for a while... :)
Thanks :)
Yeah, I think the major thing that I'm trying to wrap my head around
is what TOS I should use and how to install the accelerator. So far everything else seems pretty straightforward. But now I have a lot of
money I'm going to wind up spending, thanks for the links haha.
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I use TOS v2.06 because it's the "modern" TOS with lots of great
features.
every Atari ST I own, I go with TOS v1.4 on the bottom end.
To top all that off, P.Pera's website of HD adapted games that fixes most of the incompatibilites with newer TOS versions does away with that one argument. There are something like 1600+ titles there he's fixed... Good stuff! :)
Remember you said you intend to use this for gaming.. Nothing that you
are looking will be compatible with games. All games will run in MED or LOW res, and at 8mhz the best.. SOME might run at 16mhz.. but none will work properly past that point.
To which Bikerbob replies...
Remember you said you intend to use this for gaming.. Nothing that
you are looking will be compatible with games. All games will run in
MED or LOW res, and at 8mhz the best.. SOME might run at 16mhz.. but
none will work properly past that point.
Just FYI
James
I use TOS v2.06 because it's the "modern" TOS with lots of great features.
Sweet, ok, so this is for basic daily computing needs. Got it.
every Atari ST I own, I go with TOS v1.4 on the bottom end.
Makes sense. So I need to have a TOS decoder and switcher, I gather?
To top all that off, P.Pera's website of HD adapted games that
fixes most of the incompatibilites with newer TOS versions does
away with that one argument. There are something like 1600+
titles there he's fixed... Good stuff! :)
Awesome, this is key info for me :P
I think what makes the most sense in the near term is if I figure out
the TOS stuff and have everything working as expected, I can move
forward with getting the TF accelerator to work. That seems like it's
got some details buried in threads on the forum but I don't think
I've seen a cohesive "do this to install an accelerator in your
1040ST" thing anywhere :P So I suppose I should prepare for more of a
deep dive when I get to that point.
Separate question for you - think it'd be worthwhile to host an Atari
BBS in an emulator? Are there cool exclusive doorgames and stuff?
Again, much appreciated, cheers.
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To which Darklord replies...
Honestly, if you're going to be using the adapted games from the
source I mentioned, TOS v2.06 will be fine for most games. I can't absolutely say for all games though. It's nice to have the TOS
decoder if you ever do need to "downshift" for compatibility reasons.
Hmm, running an Atari ST BBS under emulation? Well...in a nutshell,
good luck. :) To the best of my knowledge (and someone can jump in
and correct me on this if it's not accurate), only 1 person has ever
got the serial port stuff working under emulation for a BBS. It's
also my grave understanding getting it working almost put that person
in a looney-bin.
Now 8bit Atari's? That's a whole different story. There are a ton of emulated Atari 8bit BBS's.
Hope this helps.
To which Commodore Clifford replies...
I think everyone knows about our AtariNess by now. :) But we have to
keep spreading the word, right? Actually from what I remember, I
think the 8-bit version of MIDI Maze is actually compatible? I'm
guessing the FujiNet setup for it wouldn't work (since it isn't a
physical MIDI) but if you have actual MIDI hardware for the 8-bit I'm pretty sure you can have the STers and 8-bitters together.
So the final showdown at last!
Well, here's what a quick google search revealed:
https://gamicus.fandom.com/wiki/MIDI_Maze
To which Commodore Clifford replies...
Ok, so it does work.
I wonder if that Con of the North is still a thing? We have offices
in Minnesota, so maybe I can figure out a way to expense it. :)
Not a clue but I'm getting a mental image of us barging in, packing
about a dozen SC1224 monitors 'n ST's. Yeah! When they ask for an explanation (as we're stringing MIDI cables), we just tell them to
think early (real early!) token ring... :)
To which Commodore Clifford replies...
Uh, guys... this is a snowshoe salesmen convention......
Nightfox wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Re: Re: Retro Games
By: Jimmy Anderson to Nightfox on Fri Mar 24 2023 08:22 pm
Goldeneye is on XBox now :-)
I've never played Goldeneye, but I've always heard it was a popular N64 game.
Goldeneye is on XBox now :-)
I've never played Goldeneye, but I've always heard it was a popular
N64 game.
It is - and one of the original FPS - first one with multiplayer I
THINK - but not sure...
If you consider all platforms (not just N64 or console), Doom (1993)
had multi-player support. Heretic (1994, for PC) also had
multi-player, from what I remember.
I've never played Goldeneye, but I've always heard it was a popular N64 game.
It is - and one of the original FPS - first one with multiplayer I
THINK - but not sure...
If you consider all platforms (not just N64 or console), Doom
(1993) had multi-player support. Heretic (1994, for PC) also had multi-player, from what I remember.
Yeah, I was going to reply to this but then I figured I'd wait and
see if someone else already had. Goldeneye *might* be the first
multiplayer on console, but it's definitely not the first
multi-player FPS. Depending on how far you want to stretch the
definition of FPS, that *might* be Midi Maze on the Atari ST, which
dates back to the late 80s.
The box cover said it perfectly "Put on a happy face" but the "put
on" was crossed out and had "Kill" written in. The players avatars
were round happy faces in the game, to put that in perspective.
Great stuff, good times. Huge Atari ST fan here - still have a
handful and run The DarkForce! BBS on an Atari Mega ST4. :)
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