• Moving my boards to the cloud

    From Hawk@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to All on Wed Dec 7 13:48:21 2022
    I will be moving Black Flag and all my BBS's
    to the cloud in the next few days. Will be better this way
    I'll keep you posted mates.
    Cheers - Hawk

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  • From niter3@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to Hawk on Wed Dec 7 14:04:59 2022
    On 07 Dec 2022, Hawk said the following...

    I will be moving Black Flag and all my BBS's
    to the cloud in the next few days. Will be better this way
    I'll keep you posted mates.
    Cheers - Hawk

    Not a bad plan. I keep hearing about Linode.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to Hawk on Wed Dec 7 12:17:06 2022
    Re: Moving my boards to the cloud
    By: Hawk to All on Wed Dec 07 2022 01:48 pm

    I will be moving Black Flag and all my BBS's
    to the cloud in the next few days. Will be better this way

    I'm curious what made you decide to do that? I do think there are some benefits from running a BBS in a cloud service, but there are some drawbacks as
    well (they charge a hosting fee, and you have less control over the hardware etc.).

    A while ago, I calculated the cost of the electricity usage of my BBS PC at home and it's very little. Also, I have total control of my BBS PC at home, and I run some other servers on it as well (including Plex Media Server).

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  • From Mandarax@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to Nightfox on Wed Dec 7 15:25:34 2022
    I'm curious what made you decide to do that? I do think there are some

    The reasons I decided to do it is not having to worry about hardware (housing it somewhere, powering it, maintaining it). Then there is the security that the server is no where on my personal network at home at all. The uptime is more secure. As I am protected again power outages and ISP outages which happen more often then from a data center. Additionally, my entire server image is backed up daily without me having to do anything. So easy to recover if something was to happen to the server.

    These are my reasons anyway.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to Mandarax on Wed Dec 7 12:38:13 2022
    Re: Re: Moving my boards to the cloud
    By: Mandarax to Nightfox on Wed Dec 07 2022 03:25 pm

    I'm curious what made you decide to do that? I do think there are
    some

    The reasons I decided to do it is not having to worry about hardware (housing it somewhere, powering it, maintaining it). Then there is the security that the server is no where on my personal network at home at all. The uptime is more secure. As I am protected again power outages and ISP outages which happen more often then from a data center. Additionally, my entire server image is backed up daily without me having to do anything. So easy to recover if something was to happen to the server.

    There are definitely some benefits there.

    I wonder how they do their daily backups? I imagine it would be best to power down the machine to do the backup (which means some downtime daily). Also, if backups are daily, what if they do a backup when it's in a bad state? Normally, backups should be in a good working configuration so that if something goes wrong, you know you can always revert back to a good working backup.

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  • From Mandarax@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to Nightfox on Wed Dec 7 17:09:24 2022
    I wonder how they do their daily backups? I imagine it would be best to power down the machine to do the backup (which means some downtime
    daily). Also, if backups are daily, what if they do a backup when it's
    in a bad state? Normally, backups should be in a good working

    The backups are complete image of the server. It saves more than 1 backup. So to have all the backup all fail and be bad would not be likely. There is no
    server downtime. My linux server has been up and running without reboot or shutown for 8 months right now.


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  • From tenser@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to Nightfox on Thu Dec 8 11:11:29 2022
    On 07 Dec 2022 at 12:38p, Nightfox pondered and said...

    The reasons I decided to do it is not having to worry about hardware (housing it somewhere, powering it, maintaining it). Then there is th security that the server is no where on my personal network at home a all. The uptime is more secure. As I am protected again power outages ISP outages which happen more often then from a data center. Addition my entire server image is backed up daily without me having to do anything. So easy to recover if something was to happen to the server

    There are definitely some benefits there.

    I wonder how they do their daily backups? I imagine it would be best to power down the machine to do the backup (which means some downtime
    daily). Also, if backups are daily, what if they do a backup when it's
    in a bad state? Normally, backups should be in a good working configuration so that if something goes wrong, you know you can always revert back to a good working backup.

    Since the system is virtualized, you basically snapshot it
    by marking its storage device copy-on-write and stream the
    image somewhere. Assuming the guest OS has a working
    filesystem that doesn't commit an unrecoverable state to
    secondary store, you _should_ be able to bring the system
    back online with a self-consistent filesystem; whether you
    lose data or not is a different matter, which kind of
    addresses the second part: roll to an earlier snapshot if
    the one you try to recover to is bad.

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  • From niter3@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to tenser on Wed Dec 7 19:37:44 2022
    Since the system is virtualized, you basically snapshot it
    by marking its storage device copy-on-write and stream the
    image somewhere. Assuming the guest OS has a working
    filesystem that doesn't commit an unrecoverable state to
    secondary store, you _should_ be able to bring the system
    back online with a self-consistent filesystem; whether you
    lose data or not is a different matter, which kind of
    addresses the second part: roll to an earlier snapshot if
    the one you try to recover to is bad.

    Who are you guys hosting your bbs with?

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  • From apam@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to niter3 on Thu Dec 8 11:26:05 2022
    Who are you guys hosting your bbs with?

    I used to use vultr for my BBS, but have since moved it to a PC at home. I still use vultr for talismanbbs.com.

    In the past I've used digital ocean, and even longer ago linode. I prefer
    vultr as they allowed customers to install from an uploaded iso (as well
    as the default list of OSes). Digital Ocean is about the same price wise, though I think linode was a bit more expensive last time i checked.

    If you want windows it's extra because of the license fee and
    requirements, but vultr starts at $5US a month (actually $2.50 a month
    but you only get ipv6 address) $5US gives you 20Gb SSD, 1Gb of ram and 1
    core. Which is more than enough to run a BBS on.

    Also you pay by the minute (I think, possibly seconds) so at the end of a
    month you get a bill for $5 if you use it the whole month, if you only
    use it for part, you only pay for what you used. (I think that's fairly standard for VPS providers though).

    Hope that helps.

    Andrew


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  • From apam@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to niter3 on Thu Dec 8 13:07:15 2022
    Have you seen prices less then $5 a month? and more ?

    Yes, you choose the size of your instance, and it varies in price
    depending on the size.

    If you mean less that $5 a month for a 1Gb VPS, no I haven't.

    Andrew


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  • From niter3@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to apam on Wed Dec 7 21:19:44 2022
    On 08 Dec 2022, apam said the following...

    Who are you guys hosting your bbs with?

    I used to use vultr for my BBS, but have since moved it to a PC at home.
    I still use vultr for talismanbbs.com.

    In the past I've used digital ocean, and even longer ago linode. I prefer vultr as they allowed customers to install from an uploaded iso (as well as the default list of OSes). Digital Ocean is about the same price wise, though I think linode was a bit more expensive last time i checked.

    If you want windows it's extra because of the license fee and requirements, but vultr starts at $5US a month (actually $2.50 a month
    but you only get ipv6 address) $5US gives you 20Gb SSD, 1Gb of ram and 1 core. Which is more than enough to run a BBS on.

    Also you pay by the minute (I think, possibly seconds) so at the end of a month you get a bill for $5 if you use it the whole month, if you only
    use it for part, you only pay for what you used. (I think that's fairly standard for VPS providers though).

    Hope that helps.

    Have you seen prices less then $5 a month? and more ?

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  • From Mandarax@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to niter3 on Wed Dec 7 21:39:37 2022
    Have you seen prices less then $5 a month? and more ?

    My server costs me much more than that. However, I have a server that is probably more server than just a simple BBS would need. I have dedicated 4 cores, 8gb RAM, 250gb SSD storage, snapshot backups. They also allow me to request to edit the reverse IP for my IP address so it matches my domain name settings for sending email out. If you want to be able to send emails out from a self hosted email server, you need to make sure not to get a VPS provider that has IP's blocked by gmail, hotmail, etc. This can happen often to some of
    the big guys because of people using them to run spam. I get almost instant support response when I need things looked into as well, 24 hours a day.


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  • From esc@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to niter3 on Thu Dec 8 01:54:09 2022
    Who are you guys hosting your bbs with?

    I've used DigitalOcean for all manner of things and that's where my BBS stuff lives as well. They aren't the cheapest but they're excellent.

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  • From esc@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to apam on Thu Dec 8 01:55:40 2022
    In the past I've used digital ocean, and even longer ago linode. I prefer vultr as they allowed customers to install from an uploaded iso (as well as the default list of OSes). Digital Ocean is about the same price wise, though I think linode was a bit more expensive last time i checked.

    DO allows you to use the OS of your choosing but it takes some work...you have to build a droplet, power it down, put it in recovery mode, and then point to different install media. For most of my needs, this is not necessary. However I
    do have a 32 bit Windows 7 droplet which I basically built from scratch, and this is where I host all my DOS doors and things of that nature. It works very well.

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  • From niter3@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to esc on Thu Dec 8 05:51:04 2022
    On 08 Dec 2022, esc said the following...

    Who are you guys hosting your bbs with?

    I've used DigitalOcean for all manner of things and that's where my BBS stuff lives as well. They aren't the cheapest but they're excellent.

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    Thanns.

    I will check them out again.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to Hawk on Thu Dec 8 06:23:00 2022
    Hawk wrote to All <=-

    I will be moving Black Flag and all my BBS's
    to the cloud in the next few days. Will be better this way
    I'll keep you posted mates.

    Whose cloud are you going to? Would love to hear how it goes!


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  • From Diamond Dave@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to Hawk on Thu Dec 8 16:26:51 2022
    Re: Moving my boards to the cloud
    By: Hawk to All on Wed Dec 07 2022 01:48 pm

    I will be moving Black Flag and all my BBS's
    to the cloud in the next few days. Will be better this way
    I'll keep you posted mates.
    Cheers - Hawk

    Which cloud provider? And are you using Linux or Windows?

    How much are you paying per month?

    I've experimented with several cloud providers, both Windows and Ubuntu. I may move my boards to Vultr eventually.

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  • From vorlon@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to apam on Fri Dec 9 10:22:03 2022
    Hi apam,

    Have you seen prices less then $5 a month? and more ?

    Yes, you choose the size of your instance, and it varies in price
    depending on the size.

    If you mean less that $5 a month for a 1Gb VPS, no I haven't.

    check out binary lane... They have some great deals and the VM's are
    fast, along with the connection speed. Plus easy to manage. Choice of
    OS's, along with BYO. Locations in SYD/MEL/BNE/PTH.

    1 IPv4, and a subnet for IPv6.

    1CPU, 1Gb Ram, 20GB HD space, 1TB Data (Charged for data sent, not
    received). is $4.13 per month.

    https://www.binarylane.com.au



    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


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  • From Avon@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to apam on Fri Dec 9 13:40:10 2022
    On 08 Dec 2022 at 11:26a, apam pondered and said...

    I used to use vultr for my BBS, but have since moved it to a PC at home.
    I still use vultr for talismanbbs.com.

    Lordy I am old school... they are all running on assorted whirring boxes upstairs here :)

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  • From 0zZ-U@VERT/ANARCHY/CRBBSNET to niter3 on Sat Dec 10 16:50:46 2022
    Have you seen prices less then $5 a month? and more ?


    $3.50 for a Vultr instance in a New Jersey data center. 10Gb - single core,
    and I believe 2 Gb data / month. IP4 no IP6


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