Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: Dream Master to cr1mson on Thu Mar 10 2022 09:02 am

I remember the good ol' days where you'd turn on the computer and it'd spin-up and take two or three minutes to finish loading. Now, give it 10 seconds. I think, for me anyway, its about being able to gain access to my computers immediately and not having to wait to boot, login, etc., etc.

But, when do you get the coffees?


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Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: nostalia to Dream Master on Mon Jun 06 2022 06:30 pm

Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: Dream Master to cr1mson on Thu Mar 10 2022 09:02 am

I remember the good ol' days where you'd turn on the computer and it'd spin-up and take two or three minutes to finish loading. Now, give it 10 seconds. I think, for me anyway, its about being able to gain access to my computers immediately and not having to wait to boot, login, etc., etc.

But, when do you get the coffees?

- nostalia

I just hibernate my laptop to get the same effect. It's slower to start becaues I've chosen a spinning hard drive, that and the laptop is itself old, but if I just hibernate, it only loads a ram image from the disk, and is back up. Only takes several seconds. No need to boot the computer each time.

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nostalia wrote to Dream Master <=-

I remember the good ol' days where you'd turn on the computer and it'd spin-up and take two or three minutes to finish loading. Now, give it 10 seconds. I think, for me anyway, its about being able to gain access to my computers immediately and not having to wait to boot, login, etc., etc.

But, when do you get the coffees?

I used to rely on the slow boot-up time of my Dell D630, with a spinning
drive and a ton of work-related management, inventory and security tools for
a chance to walk to the kitchen and get a cup of coffee. By the time I
walked to the kitchen, got the coffee, said hi to a few people and walked back, it had finished booting.

SSDs took that valuable time from me!


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Boraxman wrote to nostalia <=-

I just hibernate my laptop to get the same effect. It's slower to
start becaues I've chosen a spinning hard drive, that and the laptop is itself old, but if I just hibernate, it only loads a ram image from the disk, and is back up. Only takes several seconds. No need to boot the computer each time.

If you're sticking with a spinning drive, swapping the drive out for a
Hybrid SSD makes a world of difference. Picture a SATA drive with 4-8 GB of cache stuck on the side of it. It boots like a SATA drive, loading all of
the apps you use into the cache on first load, so the next time you open the app, it's served from the fast flash cache.




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Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: poindexter FORTRAN to nostalia on Tue Jun 07 2022 07:22 am

SSDs took that valuable time from me!

Ya.. darn the new tech making things so fast!

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Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: Boraxman to nostalia on Tue Jun 07 2022 09:28 pm

Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: nostalia to Dream Master on Mon Jun 06 2022 06:30 pm

Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: Dream Master to cr1mson on Thu Mar 10 2022 09:02 am

I remember the good ol' days where you'd turn on the computer and it'd spin-up and take two or three minutes to finish loading. Now, give it 10 seconds. I think, for me anyway, its about being able to gain access to my computers immediately and not having to wait to boot, login, etc., etc.

But, when do you get the coffees?

I just hibernate my laptop to get the same effect. It's slower to start becaues I've chosen a spinning hard drive, that and the laptop is itself old, but if I just hibernate, it only loads a ram image from the disk, and is back up. Only takes several seconds. No need to boot the computer each

i'm afraid of memory holes. i just leave the computer on and locked.
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Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Tue Jun 07 2022 07:25 am

Boraxman wrote to nostalia <=-

I just hibernate my laptop to get the same effect. It's slower to start becaues I've chosen a spinning hard drive, that and the laptop is itself old, but if I just hibernate, it only loads a ram image from the disk, and is back up. Only takes several seconds. No need to boot the computer each time.

If you're sticking with a spinning drive, swapping the drive out for a Hybrid SSD makes a world of difference. Picture a SATA drive with 4-8 GB of cache stuck on the side of it. It boots like a SATA drive, loading all of the apps you use into the cache on first load, so the next time you open the app, it's served from the fast flash cache.

Tempting. I just swapped out the drive only a month or two ago, so not required.

Besides, this laptop takes IDE drives, not SATA.

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Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu Jun 09 2022 05:05 am

Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: Dream Master to cr1mson on Thu Mar 10 2022 09:02 am

I remember the good ol' days where you'd turn on the computer and it'd spin-up and take two or three minutes to finish loading. Now, give it 10 seconds. I think, for me anyway, its about being able to gain access to my computers immediately and not having to wait to boot, login, etc., etc.

But, when do you get the coffees?

I just hibernate my laptop to get the same effect. It's slower to start becaues I've chosen a spinning hard drive, that and the laptop is itself old, but if I just hibernate, it only loads a ram image from the disk, and is back up. Only takes several seconds. No need to boot the computer each

i'm afraid of memory holes. i just leave the computer on and locked.

Memory holes? You mean having the RAM written to the hard disk?

I hate leaving stuff on unecessarily.

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Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu Jun 09 2022 05:05 am

I just hibernate my laptop to get the same effect. It's slower to start becaues I've chosen a spinning hard drive, that and the laptop is itself old, but if I just hibernate, it only loads a ram image from the disk, an is back up. Only takes several seconds. No need to boot the computer ea

i'm afraid of memory holes. i just leave the computer on and locked.

I don't know.

If you are using consumer grade hardware (ie. cheap laptop) then the chances of producing a non-correctable RAM error are low but non trivial.

I don't have the numbers here but if a certain RAM card produces an error per every 4 GB per every X hours of operation, the more time you leave the computer running the higher the chance you hit a RAM error.

Consumer grade hardware is not designed for running 24/7. You can do it but I'd certainly prefer to shut it down when not in use XD

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Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: Boraxman to MRO on Thu Jun 09 2022 09:05 pm

i'm afraid of memory holes. i just leave the computer on and locked.

Memory holes? You mean having the RAM written to the hard disk?

I hate leaving stuff on unecessarily.

i'm just afriad of losing resources that cant be gained unless i reboot.
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Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: Arelor to MRO on Thu Jun 09 2022 06:42 am

If you are using consumer grade hardware (ie. cheap laptop) then the chances of producing a non-correctable RAM error are low but non trivial.

I don't have the numbers here but if a certain RAM card produces an error per every 4 GB per every X hours of operation, the more time you leave the computer running the higher the chance you hit a RAM error.

Consumer grade hardware is not designed for running 24/7. You can do it but I'd certainly prefer to shut it down when not in use XD

my mobo is supposed to be military grade.
i think that's just BS though
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Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: MRO to Arelor on Thu Jun 09 2022 07:30 am

my mobo is supposed to be military grade.
i think that's just BS though

Yeah, it sounds like a marketing scam XD If it comes with ECC memory then the chances of getting RAM corruption because you left it on for long get astronomically low anyway.

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Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: Arelor to MRO on Thu Jun 09 2022 03:50 pm

Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: MRO to Arelor on Thu Jun 09 2022 07:30 am

my mobo is supposed to be military grade.
i think that's just BS though

Yeah, it sounds like a marketing scam XD If it comes with ECC memory then

no there are actual different grades of electronics and military is one spec.

my memory i put in myself.
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Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: Arelor to MRO on Thu Jun 09 2022 06:42 am

I just hibernate my laptop to get the same effect. It's slower to start becaues I've chosen a spinning hard drive, that and the laptop is itself old, but if I just hibernate, it only loads a ram image from the disk, an is back up. Only takes several seconds. No need to boot the computer ea

i'm afraid of memory holes. i just leave the computer on and locked.

I don't know.

If you are using consumer grade hardware (ie. cheap laptop) then the chances of producing a non-correctable RAM error are low but non trivial.

I don't have the numbers here but if a certain RAM card produces an error per every 4 GB per every X hours of operation, the more time you leave the computer running the higher the chance you hit a RAM error.

Consumer grade hardware is not designed for running 24/7. You can do it but I'd certainly prefer to shut it down when not in use XD

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Very unlikely that such an error would cause a problem. I did use a computer which had dodgy RAM, and that could cause the occasional crash or corruption, but even then it was usable.

I switch it off for power saving, and because it is less wear and tear on the hard drives if they aren't spinning. My rule of thumb is if I' not going to be using the computer for more than 30-60 minutes or more, I switch it off, otherwise if I'm just walking away for a bit, and will be back, I'll leave it running.

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Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Besides, this laptop takes IDE drives, not SATA.

That does make it challenging. I did find an IDE SSD a couple of years back for an old Thinkpad T42 I couldn't bear to part with.

Best. Laptop. Keyboard. Ever.

Even though you're still limited to IDE transfer speeds, the lack of appreciable seek time made a huge difference.


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Re: Re: The stay home and not
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Boraxman on Thu Jun 09 2022 08:38 am

Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Besides, this laptop takes IDE drives, not SATA.

That does make it challenging. I did find an IDE SSD a couple of years back for an old Thinkpad T42 I couldn't bear to part with.

Best. Laptop. Keyboard. Ever.

Even though you're still limited to IDE transfer speeds, the lack of appreciable seek time made a huge difference.

... Where is the center of the maze?

It is the best laptop keyboard. I've been spoiled. Using other laptops is just painful in comparison.

The HDD speed is fine. Bootup is sluggish compared to my desktop but hibernating solves that problem. Most other programs I use are light, so it really doesn't make that much of a difference at all.

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