Tools of war!? Being prior service (US Army), I beg to differ. I KNOW
what tools
of war are. Nothing that the average person is able to buy is a "Tool Of War". That's just a false narrative that's been created by the media and politicians.
Assault weapons are wholly unrequired for home defense.
Nothing that the average person is able to buy is a "Tool Of
War". That's just a false narrative that's been created by the media and politicians.
I suppose if someone doesn't like the gun laws in their state, they are
free to move to another state with more suitable laws, as well. Heck, there's even whole countries with no gun laws, and minimal laws all-around for that matter.
some people cant afford to move states even if rights or liberties are better elsewhere.
That sounds like their problem, not mine. If you're that poor, where you cannot afford to move, sounds like buying AR15's and SKS's should be the last thing on your mind.
I completely agree!! And once they've gotten their way, it spreads to other states too. Running is no option...... This is America.
What would you be running from, exactly? Not being able to own tools of war?
Aren't those the people most afraid that the government is going to come take away their guns, so they feel they have to buy more guns so when the
Tools of war? Hmmm it's fools like you, who believe that tripe, that will enable a elected officals to rule you like a dictator or king would. Our second amendment rights were provided to protect the people from people or
a government that would oppress. These are tools of self-defence.
Assault weapons are wholly unrequired for home defense.
Assault weapons have been banned since the Federal Assault Weapons BanAR15s look and function just like the M16 and M4 series, shy of burst.
of 1994. If you're referring to a semi-automatic rifle, you're getting into a gray area with a lot of legitimate owners of hunting rifles which bear no physical resemblance to the semi-automatic rifles making the
news. These owners also vote.
What a kitted-up Ruger Mini-14 with a folding stock and fakeOf course not. Which is why the military didn't select that weapon, and any police force that tried them out has since switched out.
night-vision scope from WalMART isn't the same as an M4 carbine?
i supposed though, but what happens when you run out of places that dont suck? ---Sounds like you would need to adjust to more reasonable expectations then.
well ar15's arent expensive.
and just because you cant afford to move, it doesnt mean you are poor.
it cost me a LOT of money just to move 2 freaking blocks down the street.
also if you like where you are employed there'sthat factor.
sounds like our founding fathers.
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basically anything can be a tool of war. you can make explosives out of common items, you can set traps, you can have war like methods and
really fuck shit up.
you dont need a dangerous LOOKING black rifle to do so.
i'm all for guns as long as people are checked out properly and they Mr>store the weapons properly.
yeah right. you can really defend your home well with an assault rifle. ---
Re: Re: California Gun Laws
By: thumper to kc2ugv on Tue Aug 09 2016 10:29 am
Nothing that the average person is able to buy is a "Tool Of
War". That's just a false narrative that's been created by the media and politicians.
What a kitted-up Ruger Mini-14 with a folding stock and fake night-vision scope from WalMART isn't the same as an M4 carbine?
Re: Re: California Gun Lawswill
By: Kahn to kc2ugv on Tue Aug 09 2016 04:24 am
Tools of war? Hmmm it's fools like you, who believe that tripe, that
Ourenable a elected officals to rule you like a dictator or king would.
peoplesecond amendment rights were provided to protect the people from
or a government that would oppress. These are tools of self-defence.
basically anything can be a tool of war. you can make explosives out of common items, you can set traps, you can have war like methods andreally
fuck shit up.store
you dont need a dangerous LOOKING black rifle to do so.
i'm all for guns as long as people are checked out properly and they
the weapons properly.
Re: Re: California Gun Laws
By: kc2ugv to Kahn on Tue Aug 09 2016 09:17 am
Assault weapons are wholly unrequired for home defense.
yeah right. you can really defend your home well with an assault rifle.
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Tools of war!? Being prior service (US Army), I beg to differ. I KNOW
what tools
of war are. Nothing that the average person is able to buy is a "Tool Of War". That's just a false narrative that's been created by the media and politicians.
As prior service myself (US Army), the only difference in the AR
platform and the M16/M4 series is burst. Every other feature required
for tactical scenarios is present.
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AR15s look and function just like the M16 and M4 series, shy of burst. There's no grey area. And, they're completely unneeded for hunting,
and in fact, some of the worsts choices for it.
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Sounds like you would need to adjust to more reasonable expectations
then. If the whole world "sucks", then I would surmise it isn't the laws/place that suck, but rather the individual.
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1911 is for the house.
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Re: Re: California Gun Laws
By: DaiTengu to kc2ugv on Mon Aug 08 2016 09:58 pm
Aren't those the people most afraid that the government is going to come take away their guns, so they feel they have to buy more guns so when the
Do you hunt? I'm curious to see how you make that determination. I
don't hunt, personally, but it seems that an AR-15 or any other semi-automatic rifle that looks like an assault rifle would hunt as
well as a semi-automatic rifle with a wooden stock as long as you're
both shooting the same caliber.
I'd personally look like an idiot, IMO, shooting game with a rifle
styled after an assault rifle. But, to each his/her own...
At one point I'd strongly considered continuing to rent my primary residence and buying a smaller house for retirement now in a
semi-rural town with a hospital, sense of community, plantable weather
and a culture where hunting was a significant part of the town makeup.
Yes. I do on occasion. The 5.56 and .223 rounds are not powerful rounds, and were selected to bring a man down, but not kill them 9/10 times.
Because it take 3 people to get a wounded soldier off the battlefield, and 0 to call a person as dead, and recover later. A deer would laugh your round off, as would most other game.
Adding to this, the cleaning requirements for the AR/M16/M4 platform, you're asking to be spending more time cleaning your weapon, than hunting.
Sounds like a plan. I always recommend people should live where they are comfortable, instead of places they hate.
From what I understand they were also designed to be lighter than a standard battle rifle round. Lighter rounds = more rounds per soldier.
That makes perfect sense, I wonder if any military ever come out and
said that?
At least the deer isn't charging *towards you* when your M16 jams. The issues the M16 had in Vietnam sounded horrible, and the reaction smelled of cover-up. ---
And get to know (and be friends with) your neighbors. Makes a world of enjoying the company of the people nearby (and knowing they have your back...) ---
I suppose if someone doesn't like the gun laws in their state, they are free to move to another state with more suitable laws, as well. Heck,
If democrats, or any other threat to gun rights, takes away our rights to carry, or even to own, then we will have to focus harder on other ways of
kc2ugv wrote to metalhead <=-
If democrats, or any other threat to gun rights, takes away our rights to carry, or even to own, then we will have to focus harder on other ways of
Please name a state where owning a gun has been taken away, or anyone legislation even proposed to do so.
That would be insane if people had to go that route. I could just see
any use of such being classified as terror right out of the gate.
Please name a state where owning a gun has been taken away, or anyone legislation even proposed to do so.
Here in NY, a good friend of mine is a convicted felon, because he sold crack to an undercover cop back in like 1998. He was a teenager, but
now, he's almost 40, a hard-working man, and still can't protect his family with anything other than knives, and people who are STILL acting like criminals are walking around outside his door with who knows what..
I don't blame the democrats for this issue, but you did say to name a state. I think it's a federal law, but states have their own provisions
on which convicts can be trusted with guns & which can not.
That would be insane if people had to go that route. I could just see any use of such being classified as terror right out of the gate.
Name a state where the right to own a gun has been taken away, or any state where it's even been proposed?
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Please name a state where owning a gun has been taken away, or anyone legislation even proposed to do so.
Here in NY, a good friend of mine is a convicted felon, because he sold crack to an undercover cop back in like 1998. He was a teenager, but
now, he's almost 40, a hard-working man, and still can't protect his family with anything other than knives, and people who are STILL acting like criminals are walking around outside his door with who knows
what.. I don't blame the democrats for this issue, but you did say to
name a state. I think it's a federal law, but states have their own provisions on which convicts can be trusted with guns & which can not.
The same constitutional ammendment that says everyone can own a gun, also says that right is not extended to those convicted of a crime.
Please name a state where owning a gun has been taken away, or anyone legislation even proposed to do so.
Here in NY, a good friend of mine is a convicted felon, because he sold crack to an undercover cop back in like 1998. He was a teenager, but now, he's almost 40, a hard-working man, and still can't protect his family with anything other than knives, and people who are STILL acting like criminals
New York DOES have among the most draconian gun laws in the nation. They even have some proposed that would make Kalifornia look mild in comparison. For example, a law was put forth that would limit ammunition purchased to twice the ammo capacity of the firearm. Since the SAFE law limits weapons to a 7+1 ammo load, that would mean a maximum of 16 round of ammo permitted for purchase per weapon. New York City is so anal on gun laws, that a friend of mine was jacked by two cops with THEIR
weapons drawn just because he was carrying a .22 rifle, IN A HARDSIDED, LOCKED CASE, from an indoor shooting range to his car!
In New York, my 80's era Smith and Wesson Model 645 would be illegal because it has an eight round magazine capacity. In New York, my Taurus PT-145 would be illegal because of its 10 round magazine (and possibly because of the Picatinny rail). My Maverick 88 12 gauge would be
illegal, I can load 8 rounds into the tube. My Ruger 10/22, with a 10 round magazine would be illegal. I couldn't legally own my Hi-Point carbine nor my AR style MODERN SPORTING RIFLE regardless of the magazine capacity of either one. New York's gun laws do NOTHING to prevent any type of crime committed with guns within the state. Outlawing modern defensive firearms only results in the law-abiding populace being made defenseless against a heavily armed criminal element, and guarantees
that Albany can ride roughshod over the rights of the citizenry because unlike the citizenry of 1775, they haven't the strength of arms to
resist the ruling class.
The Second Amendment is NOT about home defense. It is about having the right and the means to resist a government that has become overreaching and operates in defiance of the US Constitution. The Second Amendment
was intended to provide the means to conduct a Second American
Revolution, should it be made necessary. That necessity becomes increasingly likely every day.
The same constitutional ammendment that says everyone can own a gun, also says that right is not extended to those convicted of a crime.
I can't blame the founding fathers, but times have changed. Amendments need mending sometimes.
When the 2nd amendment became law, drug dealing was legal. Also, states
have their own interpretations of the amendment, and also of what they consider to be "a crime."
It should be "a crime" for laws not to get updated when changes are
overdue.
That being said, where in NYS does one require a gun to protect themselves and their family? Why can't his wife just buy a gun? Was she a drug dealer too?most likely, he can't have a gun in the house where he resides in, otherwise, he'd be able to use the gun himself just as easily as she would, when she's not there.
k ³ Mr> yeah right. you can really defend your home well with an assault rWhat I find funny about what people call "assault rifles" is that for the most part, they are no different than a hunting .22 rifle.
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k ³ Remington 700. Or, and over under.
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k ³ You don't need to play militia to defend your home.
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Yeah, like Crazy Uncle Joe Biden says.... just fire a couple of shotgun blasts up into the night sky and you'll be okay....
73 de KU2S
I mean many of them chamber .22 and "look" like a tactical weapon but really don't hold any more rounds, or fire any faster, than a mossberg plinkster.
it pro and anti alike. Truth be told most anti become pro after a few hours of l ive shooting :)
I lived in CA for a little over 11 years. My County (Amador) was very pro-gu for anything, you're screwed.
Where in OH, we're VERY pro-gun here in the state. I've been an NRA Pistol I it pro and anti alike. Truth be told most anti become pro after a few hours
ZM³ Re: California Gun Laws
ZM³ By: Knightmare to Zombie mambo on Sun Sep 18 2016 02:52 am
ZM³
ZM³ > I lived in CA for a little over 11 years. My County (Amador) was ver
ZM³ > for anything, you're screwed.
ZM³ >
ZM³ > Where in OH, we're VERY pro-gun here in the state. I've been an NRA
ZM³ > it pro and anti alike. Truth be told most anti become pro after a fe
ZM³ >
ZM³ California is f'd up thats for sure look at what Cal and NY did to the
ZM³ election. Take either of them out of the mix and its a landslide. I'm s
ZM³ that rich people, politicians, and actors along with f'd up college fac
ZM³ students, are in such a position to swing things like our government in
ZM³ favor.
ZM³ My FL CCW license is recognized in a bunch of states. Here in FL we don
ZM³ really have a county by county issue although I wouldn't doubt it if ev
ZM³ Miami does... Seems like Miami would be better off a satellite of Calif
ZM³ than Florida. EndRant.
ZM³
ZM³ BTW for Christmas I bought myself a little Glock 42 - I have small hand
ZM³ almost the same dimensions as my Ruger LC9 and very lightweight. I figu
ZM³ .380 would be a good backup carry option and something my wife could us
ZM³ range to get into it...
I went on a bit of a spree myself, picking up a Dickson Special Agent in .22LR, Grendel P12 in .380, Norinco 1911A1, Taurus TCP in .380 and a Rossi M68 snubby in .38 special.
73 de KU2S
And I picked up a .22lr rifle as well... Next may be a S&W M&P 1522
And I picked up a .22lr rifle as well... Next may be a S&W M&P 1522
What kind? I have a Ruger 1022 that I am found of.
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And I picked up a .22lr rifle as well... Next may be a S&W M&P 1522
What kind? I have a Ruger 1022 that I am found of.
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And I picked up a .22lr rifle as well... Next may be a S&W M&P 1522
What kind? I have a Ruger 1022 that I am found of.
I got a cheap Mossberg Plinkster .22 with a basic scope. It's not bad considering how affordable they are and that I got it for my sons to
learn with.
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