Did/Does anyone here watch Halt and Catch Fire on AMC? They have it in
re-runs in the early morning hours again.

One thing I have always wondered... they always start with Season 2. I
don't think they have shown re-runs of Season 1 since when it was
originally aired. I have often wondered why not. It was my favorite
season because it is the one where they try to come up with the first
portable computer. The other seasons are interesting as you watch them try
to chase the bleeding edge for other tech, but I always liked that one the most.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to ALL on Mon Apr 08 2019 05:19 pm

This is a great show. The reason they probably do not show Season 1 is because it is on Netflix, and it may be a licensing issue.

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This is a great show. The reason they probably do not show Season 1 is because
it is on Netflix, and it may be a licensing issue.

Ahhh-ha! I don't have Netflix so I did not know.

SyFy was re-running The Expanse right up until the day that Amazon Prime
took it over a month or so ago. They got up to about midway through Season
3. I was really hoping they'd finish that season (the most-recent one)
before they had to cut it off. :(

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to KMELILLO on Tue Apr 09 2019 06:49 pm

SyFy was re-running The Expanse right up until the day that Amazon Prime took it over a month or so ago. They got up to about midway through Season 3. I was really hoping they'd finish that season (the most-recent one) before they had to cut it off. :(

The best season. Got a friend with a Plex server and like 20TB of storage, I re-watched a few episodes in preparation for s04. Can't wait.
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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to KMELILLO on Tue Apr 09 2019 06:49 pm

This is a great show. The reason they probably do not show Season 1 is bec >it is on Netflix, and it may be a licensing issue.

Ahhh-ha! I don't have Netflix so I did not know.

SyFy was re-running The Expanse right up until the day that Amazon Prime took it over a month or so ago. They got up to about midway through Season 3. I was really hoping they'd finish that season (the most-recent one) before they had to cut it off. :(

I enjoyed watching the Expanse. My co-worker read the books, and would give insight on things he felt important that was missing from the TV series.

Back to Halt and Catch Fire, I feel blessed in growing up in a time to see ear ly computer hardware evolve by leaps and bounds in the 80's and 90's. For awhile I was heavy into gaming, and CPU speeds were increasing so fast it was almost like an arms race with some gamers to have the fastest PC's.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Android8675 to Dumas Walker on Wed Apr 10 2019 07:43 am

The best season. Got a friend with a Plex server and like 20TB of storage, I re-watched a few episodes in preparation for s04. Can't wait.

Friends with Plex servers are great. Or so my friends tell me about my 42TB server ;)

The only reason it's not bigger is that I'm out of space to add more hard drives to my server case.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: DaiTengu to Android8675 on Wed Apr 10 2019 01:12 pm

Friends with Plex servers are great. Or so my friends tell me about my 42TB server ;)

The only reason it's not bigger is that I'm out of space to add more hard drives to my server case.

I run a Plex server at home, and I have some movies and TV shows on it, but I haven't had the desire to load it up with a ton of stuff. The more it has, the more things you have to scroll through when selecting something to watch. And after watching a movie with Plex or watching a whole run of a TV show, I've removed some of them to save space and keep it uncluttered.

I find it interesting, the ways we watch movies these days. Optical discs and players seem to be on the decline, but I still think the disc formats are one of the easiest ways to watch movies, especially if you're renting. You just have to put in the disc and play it, and take it out when you're done. Online streaming services (such as Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc.) might not have the movie you want to watch, and there are sometimes issues with streaming. As far as purchasing movies, sometimes I wonder what will replace optical discs if/when optical discs finally die out. I wonder if movies will eventually be sold on USB flash drives, or if you'll just get a code to download it from online (and then, will it include any extras like they often have on DVD/blu-ray discs?). And if movies & TV shows all become download-only in the future, we'll probably have to buy external hard drives/flahs drives to back up our collection onto. It still seems a little more conveinent to just buy them on disc format and keep the discs around.

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SyFy was re-running The Expanse right up until the day that Amazon Prime >DW> took it over a month or so ago. They got up to about midway through Season >DW> 3. I was really hoping they'd finish that season (the most-recent one) >DW> before they had to cut it off. :(

The best season. Got a friend with a Plex server and like 20TB of storage, I re-watched a few episodes in preparation for s04. Can't wait.

I shall be waiting for S04 on DVD. :)

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I enjoyed watching the Expanse. My co-worker read the books, and would give >insight on things he felt important that was missing from the TV series.

I have a former co-worker who has said it is close to the books... not
exactly, but a lot closer than most TV adaptations get. He loves them both.

Back to Halt and Catch Fire, I feel blessed in growing up in a time to see ear >ly computer hardware evolve by leaps and bounds in the 80's and 90's. For >awhile I was heavy into gaming, and CPU speeds were increasing so fast it was >almost like an arms race with some gamers to have the fastest PC's.

I also remember most of that. We started with a TI99-4A (there is a slash
in there somewhere but I cannot remember where!), then an XT. My first PC
that was just mine was a 386/DX-40. After that, I did not really keep up
with the latest and greatest... had hand-me-down and surplus Pentiums...
until I got into SBCs.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Wed Apr 10 2019 03:12 pm

I run a Plex server at home, and I have some movies and TV shows on it, but I haven't had the desire to load it up with a ton of stuff. The more it has, the more things you have to scroll through when selecting something to watch. And after watching a movie with Plex or watching a whole run of a TV show, I've removed some of them to save space and keep it uncluttered.

I pay for YoutubeTV and have subscriptions to Amazon Prime, Hulu, Netflix and CBS All Access. I still download a lot of TV shows and watch them off Plex because it's simply easier. (Not having commercials is a definite plus). I don't feel bad about it, because I'm technically paying for it.

I find it interesting, the ways we watch movies these days. Optical discs and players seem to be on the decline, but I still think the disc formats are one of the easiest ways to watch movies, especially if you're renting. You just have to put in the disc and play it, and take it out when you're done. Online streaming services (such as Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc.) might not have the movie you want to watch, and there are sometimes issues with streaming. As far as purchasing movies, sometimes I wonder what will replace optical discs if/when optical discs finally die out. I wonder if movies will eventually be sold on USB flash drives, or if you'll just get a code to download it from online (and then, will it include any extras like they often have on DVD/blu-ray discs?). And if movies & TV shows all become download-only in the future, we'll probably have to buy external hard drives/flahs drives to back up our collection onto. It still seems a little more conveinent to just buy them on disc format and keep the discs around.

I only buy movies that I want the extras for. Honestly though, I've lost most of my taste for watching movies, other than the popular sci-fi and comic-book franchise films. I much prefer TV nowdays.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Thu Apr 11 2019 12:50 am

I only buy movies that I want the extras for. Honestly though, I've lost most of my taste for watching movies, other than the popular sci-fi and comic-book franchise films. I much prefer TV nowdays.

I've tended to like both. Though, there have been times when I heard about something that I thought was a movie but found out it's a TV show, and I would have rather watched something that ended in a couple hours rather than watching a (longer-running) TV series about it. :)

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Wed Apr 10 2019 07:37 pm

I also remember most of that. We started with a TI99-4A (there is a slash in there somewhere but I cannot remember where!), then an XT. My first PC

Hahahaha, I had a TI-99/4a... Great little computer and then progressed up to XT, AT, blah, blah, blah... :)

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I pay for YoutubeTV and have subscriptions to Amazon Prime, Hulu, Netflix and >CBS All Access. I still download a lot of TV shows and watch them off Plex >because it's simply easier. (Not having commercials is a definite plus). I >don't feel bad about it, because I'm technically paying for it.

Where do you download them from? The serivce(s) you are paying for allows downloads, or from elsewhere?

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Thu Apr 11 2019 05:22 pm

I pay for YoutubeTV and have subscriptions to Amazon Prime, Hulu,
Netflix and CBS All Access. I still download a lot of TV shows and

Where do you download them from? The serivce(s) you are paying for allows downloads, or from elsewhere?

Yea?? Where do you download them from?

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Heliarc to All on Fri Apr 12 2019 08:15 am

Where do you download them from? The serivce(s) you are paying for
allows downloads, or from elsewhere?

Yea?? Where do you download them from?

You quoted someone's message but addressed your reply to "All". Was that intended?

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Heliarc to All on Fri Apr 12 2019 08:15 am

Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Thu Apr 11 2019 05:22 pm

I pay for YoutubeTV and have subscriptions to Amazon Prime, Hulu,
Netflix and CBS All Access. I still download a lot of TV shows and

Where do you download them from? The serivce(s) you are paying for allows downloads, or from elsewhere?

Yea?? Where do you download them from?

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Hahahaha, I had a TI-99/4a... Great little computer and then progressed up to >XT, AT, blah, blah, blah... :)

I still have mine. About 10 years ago, I bought an old expansion system
for it. I have used it a few times, but one of the cards (and the main
reason I bought it) went bad shortlly after. It still works, but only
really provides a floppy and some extras for any cart games I might want to
use (I don't own any that require it, though! <GRIN>).

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to DAITENGU on Thu Apr 11 2019 05:22 pm

I pay for YoutubeTV and have subscriptions to Amazon Prime, Hulu,
Netflix and CBS All Access. I still download a lot of TV shows and
watch them off Plex because it's simply easier. (Not having commercials
is a definite plus). I don't feel bad about it, because I'm
technically paying for it.

Where do you download them from? The serivce(s) you are paying for allows downloads, or from elsewhere?

Newsgroup providers and sometimes torrents. I pay about $15 a month for unlimited downloads from a couple newsgroup providers, and a few bucks a year here and there for access to Newsgroup indexers.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Heliarc on Fri Apr 12 2019 02:13 pm

Where do you download them from? The serivce(s) you are paying for
allows downloads, or from elsewhere?

Yea?? Where do you download them from?

You quoted someone's message but addressed your reply to "All". Was that intended?

I don't know? It could have been all. I've been know to do worse. ;-)

Was the question answered?

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Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

Back to Halt and Catch Fire, I feel blessed in growing up in a time to
see ear ly computer hardware evolve by leaps and bounds in the 80's and 90's. For awhile I was heavy into gaming, and CPU speeds were
increasing so fast it was almost like an arms race with some gamers to have the fastest PC's.

I work in IT, and most places want to keep systems in use and on the
books for at least 3 years. When I worked at a gaming company, we were
swapping out motherboards and video cards every 6 months for some of
the producers and programmers.

We had a couple of very popular games, and my QA manager was a barter
king. We'd trade copies of our games for office licenses, a site
license for WinZip, and I don't think we paid for a video card the
entire time I was there.




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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Fri Apr 12 2019 09:36 am

Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

Back to Halt and Catch Fire, I feel blessed in growing up in a time to see ear ly computer hardware evolve by leaps and bounds in the 80's and 90's. For awhile I was heavy into gaming, and CPU speeds were increasing so fast it was almost like an arms race with some gamers to have the fastest PC's.

I work in IT, and most places want to keep systems in use and on the
books for at least 3 years. When I worked at a gaming company, we were swapping out motherboards and video cards every 6 months for some of
the producers and programmers.

We had a couple of very popular games, and my QA manager was a barter
king. We'd trade copies of our games for office licenses, a site
license for WinZip, and I don't think we paid for a video card the
entire time I was there.

... Don't stress one thing more than another

I also work in IT, and the three year life cycle is the what is desired but
not always adhered to with regards to financial resources. This may be an issue of not buying new systems, or it may be the budget does not allow for
the extra time and manpower needed to refresh their inventory. What I hated was when there was little or no planning done to handle the replacement of legacy software that hasn't been test or is known not to work properly with a new OS or hardware. At one site we deployed several small form factor
desktops since space was a premium and most users did not need the internal slots, but when they did need card expansion, it was for ancient SCSI controlled scanners or the peripheral and software combination needed actual serial or parallel ports.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Fri Apr 12 2019 08:37 pm

I still have mine. About 10 years ago, I bought an old expansion system
for it. I have used it a few times, but one of the cards (and the main reason I bought it) went bad shortlly after. It still works, but only really provides a floppy and some extras for any cart games I might want to use (I don't own any that require it, though! <GRIN>).

Wow. I had an expansion system, GRAM cracker, and all the goodies. It was a fun system for its time and some of the games were excellent for what the system provided. When I got my first 80 column display, that was heaven. :)

btw, if you look hard enough, you can find an emulator and download site for old TI-99 games.

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Any Nexflix users here? Have you checked out the series "Halt and Catch Fire"? Reminds me of my experiences of the 80's and early 90's. It's fictional companies and characters but pretty spot on of what went on in that era.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: HusTler to All on Sun Aug 23 2020 03:37 pm

Any Nexflix users here? Have you checked out the series "Halt and Catch Fire"? Reminds me of my experiences of the 80's and early 90's. It's fictional companies and characters but pretty spot on of what went on in that era.

Loved it. Was amused when I realized that no matter what happened, they seemed to fall short.

Liked in the final scenes that Joe had a Cardiff Giant in his office. (not much of a spoiler...)

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: HusTler to All on Sun Aug 23 2020 03:37 pm

Any Nexflix users here? Have you checked out the series "Halt and Catch Fire"? Reminds me of my experiences of the 80's and early 90's. It's fictional companies and characters but pretty spot on of what went on in that era.

What a great show. I was hooked after the first episode, and absolutely blown away whenever they'd reference companies like Tandy and Sierra.

I was just thinking about rewatching the entire thing.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: HusTler to All on Sun Aug 23 2020 03:37 pm

Any Nexflix users here? Have you checked out the series "Halt and Catch Fir

HusTler
havens.synchro.net:23

Saw it first time through on AMC a few years back. Great series. Whenever
you think you know where it's going, they throw in a curve ball. Lot's of
red herrings and sub plots which are nods to other startups from the era each season takes place in.

I spoke with a guy that worked for Heath /Zenith back in the late 70's and early 80's and he said they captured the energy of that era of the first season.

While Joe appears to be center of attention, the other main characters get their own opportunities through the seasons.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Codefenix to HusTler on Sun Aug 23 2020 07:59 pm

Any Nexflix users here? Have you checked out the series "Halt and Catch

What a great show. I was hooked after the first episode, and absolutely blow away whenever they'd reference companies like Tandy and Sierra.

I'm only into Season 2 Episode 2 but I've watched all these episodes in 2 days. LOL. I love the show. Did you notice them coding on a Commodore 64? The old C64 monitor and disk drives? The boxed IBM on the table. The hackin and online gaming. The company I worked for back then was a startup interent company. It was owned by 3 guys. An accountant, a Unix Administrator, and a C programmer.
I guess I can relate to the show eh? lol

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Codefenix to HusTler on Sun Aug 23 2020 07:59 pm

Any Nexflix users here? Have you checked out the series "Halt and Catch

What a great show. I was hooked after the first episode, and absolutely blow away whenever they'd reference companies like Tandy and Sierra.

I'm only into Season 2 Episode 2 but I've watched all these episodes in 2 days. LOL. I love the show. Did you notice them coding on a Commodore 64? The old C64 monitor and disk drives? The boxed IBM on the table. The hackin and online gaming. The company I worked for back then was a startup internet company. It was owned by 3 guys. An accountant, a Unix Administrator, and a C programmer.
I guess I can relate to the show eh? lol

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: HusTler to Codefenix on Mon Aug 24 2020 07:03:24


Hustler> I'm only into Season 2 Episode 2 but I've watched all these [...]

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Any Nexflix users here? Have you checked out the series "Halt and Catch Fire"? >Reminds me of my experiences of the 80's and early 90's. It's fictional compani
s and characters but pretty spot on of what went on in that era.

I watched it when it originally ran on AMC. I really enjoyed it.


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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: HusTler to Codefenix on Mon Aug 24 2020 07:02 am

Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Codefenix to HusTler on Sun Aug 23 2020 07:59 pm

Any Nexflix users here? Have you checked out the series "Halt and Catch

What a great show. I was hooked after the first episode, and absolutely b away whenever they'd reference companies like Tandy and Sierra.

I'm only into Season 2 Episode 2 but I've watched all these episodes in 2 any I worked for back then was a startup interent company. It was owned by 3 I guess I can relate to the show eh? lol

HusTler
havens.synchro.net:23

The prop guys did an awesome job. For Season 2 they contacted a C64 preservation group, which loaned all the vintage monitors, pc's and drives. Note that very few if any of the 1541's had cables connected to them.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to HUSTLER on Mon Aug 24 2020 10:17 am

Any Nexflix users here? Have you checked out the series "Halt and Catch

I watched it when it originally ran on AMC. I really enjoyed it.

I don't get AMC so I missed it. I can't get into any show or movie that has commercials. I believe the show is 5 seasons so I'm just getting started. The company I worked for started in a house with 15 2400 baud modems and 10 14.4k modems. When it was sold they owned the new building, 10 dedicated web servers blah blah. I went to another Long Island based internet company. Cable vision pushed all the ISP's out. I went back to welding. I guess that makes me a tech "has been" I really enjoyed the tech craze. I saw the future in the internet. I really felt I was being apart of something really important. I was right. I just wasn't able to convince my ex-wife of that. :-( K-sarah, sarah.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to HusTler on Mon Aug 24 2020 10:32 pm

The prop guys did an awesome job. For Season 2 they contacted a C64 preservation group, which loaned all the vintage monitors, pc's and drives. Note that very few if any of the 1541's had cables connected to them.

Wow thanks for that. I was wondering where they got that stuff. Especially the monitors. IBM didn't have Color back then. Just monochrome. After all, IBM was a "Business Machine". Who the heck wanted to play games on a computer?? LOL

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The company I worked
for started in a house with 15 2400 baud modems and 10 14.4k modems. When it w
sold they owned the new building, 10 dedicated web servers blah blah. I went

I won't ruin it for you in case you've not got there yet, but there is
going to be a season or so that may bring back a lot of memories for you. :) That is neat that you were in on the ground floor. I was working for a
small IT company in the early 1990's. The 'Net had not caught on here yet.
We were mostly working on keeping accountant's networks running during tax season. It amazes me now that, in 1994, not a single one of those
companies we worked for had a website and few of them used email (we didn't have either, either!).

Now it would be amazing that they had a website instead of a facebook page.


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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: HusTler to Moondog on Tue Aug 25 2020 08:44 am

Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to HusTler on Mon Aug 24 2020 10:32 pm

The prop guys did an awesome job. For Season 2 they contacted a C64 preservation group, which loaned all the vintage monitors, pc's and drive Note that very few if any of the 1541's had cables connected to them.

Wow thanks for that. I was wondering where they got that stuff. Especially

HusTler
havens.synchro.net:23

IBM had CGA graphics back in 1981, however it only offered color graphics in
a 320x200 mode. 640x480 mode was monochrome, and more suitable for viewing
an 80 column display. There was also a 2 color mode which was 640x200,
however that mode looked strange.

The C-64 had several custom in-house designed IC's to handle graphics and sound. The inclusion of visual objects that can be controlled separately
from the background graphics (sprites) was also a feature lacking in other systems. The SID chip had four individually controllable frequency
oscillators that could modulate and shape the audio waveforms it created.

What I find interesting is the Mutiny service is similar to what was known as PlayNET, which evolved into Quantum Link. Quantum Link wanted to reach a larg er audience than C-64 users, then evolved into AOL for the PC.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to HUSTLER on Tue Aug 25 2020 06:38 pm

The company I worked
for started in a house with 15 2400 baud modems and 10 14.4k modems.

I won't ruin it for you in case you've not got there yet, but there is
going to be a season or so that may bring back a lot of memories for you. :)

The show really reminds me of the stress we were all under. We would have meetings monthly and one month the accountant got so pissed he broke the table with his fist and threw a chair at the wall. I was running tech support and the phones rang off the hook. Stressful yes. But I really enjoyed it. Just like the show we were all doing coke. ;-)

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Moondog wrote to HusTler <=-

What I find interesting is the Mutiny service is similar to what was
known as PlayNET, which evolved into Quantum Link. Quantum Link wanted
to reach a larg er audience than C-64 users, then evolved into AOL for
the PC.

I had the feeling that the use of C=64s was a nod to QuantumLink.




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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: HusTler to Dumas Walker on Wed Aug 26 2020 11:55 am

Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to HUSTLER on Tue Aug 25 2020 06:38 pm

The company I worked
for started in a house with 15 2400 baud modems and 10 14.4k modems.

I won't ruin it for you in case you've not got there yet, but there is going to be a season or so that may bring back a lot of memories for you.

The show really reminds me of the stress we were all under. We would have m hook. Stressful yes. But I really enjoyed it. Just like the show we were all

HusTler
havens.synchro.net:23

When I worked at Zentih Data Systems, the senior guys who were all
engineering techs in the late 70's and early 80's told me the of the concept known as "first to market." The product did not have to be the Cadillac ver sion or well polished, being the first to market any new technology meant all the magazines were writing about your product and company. They must've maintained that philosophy for awhile, because when I transferred to the component repair side of the service area, the group I was assigned to
service boards from an older governemnt contract. The system had a backplane similar to an S-100 system, where the CPU, memory, video and I/O were all on discrete cards. The backplane only handle addressing and data between the cards. The idea behind the machine was it was intended to be upgradable by swapping out the CPU card or other cards. I was the least senior guy, so i
was stuck performing engineering revisions to backplanes andother boards that came in. These were 1987-ish 286 systems that were still in use in the early 90's. Anyways, there were 4 or 5 service updates, which required adding several jumper wires, adding and deleting parts, and replacing roms.

It was quite a contrast to nowadays, where any changes to a motherboard are all
handled through an updated BIOS.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Thu Aug 27 2020 07:38 am

Moondog wrote to HusTler <=-

What I find interesting is the Mutiny service is similar to what was known as PlayNET, which evolved into Quantum Link. Quantum Link wanted to reach a larg er audience than C-64 users, then evolved into AOL for the PC.

I had the feeling that the use of C=64s was a nod to QuantumLink.

Lot's of nods, and I mentioned before several red herrings that lead you to assume the direction they're heading. Gordon's garage industry is reflective of Michael Dell, who started a business from his dorm at college. On a side note, in '98 I had a chance to meet one of Dell's former roomates while
working on a desktop rollout project involving 8800 desktops and laptops.
The guy was a regional head of large corporate contract support or something like that, and was one of Dell's earliest employees.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 28 2020 10:05 am

What I find interesting is the Mutiny service is similar to what was known as PlayNET, which evolved into Quantum Link. Quantum Link

I had the feeling that the use of C=64s was a nod to QuantumLink.

I used QuantumLink for 3 months. I remember it being more expensive than AOL or Compuserve. If memory serves me correctly AOL was $9.99/mo and QuantumLink was $19.99/mo. I found my first C64 BBS on Quantumlink and never used an online service again. It's a beautiful thing. ;-)

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: HusTler to Moondog on Sat Aug 29 2020 10:37 am

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 28 2020 10:05 am

What I find interesting is the Mutiny service is similar to what
was known as PlayNET, which evolved into Quantum Link. Quantum
Link

I had the feeling that the use of C=64s was a nod to QuantumLink.

I used QuantumLink for 3 months. I remember it being more expensive than AOL or Compuserve. If memory serves me correctly AOL was $9.99/mo and QuantumLink was $19.99/mo. I found my first C64 BBS on Quantumlink and never used an online service again. It's a beautiful thing. ;-)

all those services had a monthly fee and then a per minute charge. i know quantumlink was expensive because my uncle used it and said how much he was spending on it and i was like god damn.
i remember him making airline reservations.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: MRO to HusTler on Sat Aug 29 2020 03:24 pm

I used QuantumLink for 3 months. I remember it being more expensive than AOL or Compuserve. If memory serves me correctly AOL was $9.99/mo and

quantumlink was expensive because my uncle used it and said how much he was spending on it and i was like god damn. i remember him making airline

I think Quantumlink was the only service that supported Commodore Graphics (CG). They knew they were the only show in town. Plus commodore computers were on the way out so I guess the die hards were willing to pay the price. Man I'm so glad I found BBSin. What a fiasco that was back then. lol

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: HusTler to MRO on Sun Aug 30 2020 01:34 pm

airline

I think Quantumlink was the only service that supported Commodore Graphics (CG). They knew they were the only show in town. Plus commodore computers were on the way out so I guess the die hards were willing to pay the price. Man I'm so glad I found BBSin. What a fiasco that was back then. lol

whats funny is how those things were just bbses but people didnt know it. and aol was worth a lot of money back in the day. they bought time warner for 165 billion.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: HusTler to MRO on Sun Aug 30 2020 01:34 pm

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: MRO to HusTler on Sat Aug 29 2020 03:24 pm

I used QuantumLink for 3 months. I remember it being more expensive tha AOL or Compuserve. If memory serves me correctly AOL was $9.99/mo and

quantumlink was expensive because my uncle used it and said how much he w spending on it and i was like god damn. i remember him making airline

I think Quantumlink was the only service that supported Commodore Graphics in. What a fiasco that was back then. lol

HusTler
havens.synchro.net:23

I think PlayNET supported C64 graphics. It was the predecessor Q-link expanded on.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to HUSTLER on Tue Aug 25 2020 18:38:00

Now it would be amazing that they had a website instead of a facebook

I have my websites. I quit using Facebook a while back. Deleted my account and have no intention of ever using that Goddess foresaken service ever again.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Lupine Furmen to Dumas Walker on Mon Sep 14 2020 10:06 pm

Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to HUSTLER on Tue Aug 25 2020 18:38:00

Now it would be amazing that they had a website instead of a facebook

I have my websites. I quit using Facebook a while back. Deleted my account and have
intention of ever using that Goddess foresaken service ever again.

Lupine Furmen
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Welcome to the club!


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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: HusTler to All on Sun Aug 23 2020 03:37 pm

HusTler
havens.synchro.net:23

Hey, thanks for that. I didn't know about that show and I started watching. It's nostalgic and it makes me rememeber many things I don't think about since thirty years ago.

I just watched the first two episodes, but I think I'm gonna enjoy the whole show.

Thanks for the suggestion.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Pferor to HusTler on Wed Nov 04 2020 06:00 am

Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: HusTler to All on Sun Aug 23 2020 03:37 pm

I just watched the first two episodes, but I think I'm gonna enjoy the whole show.

Thanks for the suggestion.

What better place to mention it. A bunch of bbs computer buffs. I finished the entire series. Pretty munch binge watched it. Thought it was great. I wish it had gone further. I'm glad you liked it. Enjoy.

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I just watched the first two episodes, but I think I'm gonna enjoy the whole sh
w.

It changes pace a little after the first season. Be sure to stick it out
as it it worth it.


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What better place to mention it. A bunch of bbs computer buffs. I finished the >entire series. Pretty munch binge watched it. Thought it was great. I wish it h
ad gone further. I'm glad you liked it. Enjoy.

I wish it had also but I suspect it was not making someone enough money.


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It changes pace a little after the first season. Be sure to stick it out
as it it worth it.

Also, please don't feel ashamed when you cry. This was a brilliant show, the first season was rough for people that aren't _really_ into tech, but after that it opened up. Of course, by then everyone I was watching it with had already jumped ship so they missed out on the great evolution of the show.

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Limping Ninja wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

Also, please don't feel ashamed when you cry.

I'm not crying, YOU'RE CRYING!

Talk about a gut punch.

I can watch the last 10 minutes over and over again, loved how they
closed the show out.




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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: HusTler to Pferor on Wed Nov 04 2020 02:12 pm

Thank you very much.

I finished all seasons now. I cannot tell you what impact this series made to me. The characters are different expressions of people I have met, and some of them remind me of myself, in the past, when I have much more illusion and strength, and I didn't care about risking that much time, money and effort. My best friend is also portrayed in the show.

It was like watching a poetic version of many events on my life and the life of my significant other, and friends.

Many thoughts. Thoughts about things I didn't recall since a long time ago. When computers were different, but same, to some degree. When innovation were easier because dreaming was easier, at least to me. Also, thoughts about decisions that I didn't take because of the risk involved that now I regret.

This is, probably, the best show I watched. I cannot appreciate enough. Honestly, thanks.

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Pferor wrote to HusTler <=-

This is, probably, the best show I watched. I cannot appreciate
enough. Honestly, thanks.

I haven't gotten as involved with characters in a TV show as I did
with the folks in HACF in a long time. Great show.

And, I resonate with the times, as someone who over the years has
used a Compaq PC, done dial-up gaming on a C64, surfed the early web,
played immersive games and watched the Search Engine wars of the
'90s. I could see myself in each season somewhere.

A book you might want to check out is "The Soul of a New Machine",
by Tracy Kidder. It's probably out of print by now; it's the story of
the people who built a minicomputer at Data General and the story of
developing the machine. S1 of HACF reminded me of it.



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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Pferor on Tue Nov 17 2020 07:11 am


Just bought the book. I will tell you my thoughts after reading it.
Thanks.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Pferor on Tue Nov 17 2020 07:11 am

Just noticed. If you watch the very last episode, can you tell me the title of one book Joe has on his shelf? XD

Very interesting...

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Pferor to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Nov 26 2020 09:29 am

Just noticed. If you watch the very last episode, can you tell me the title of one book Joe has on his shelf? XD

I loved the fact that he had Tracy Kidder's "The Soul of a New Machine", a book that season 1 reminded me of very much.

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There's a fantastic TV series, "Halt and Catch Fire," a period drama about the creation of modern day personal computing starting in the early 1980s. It is fictionalized and is supposed to be an amalgamation of the IBM "Compatible" and Compaq storylines, and is really well done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(TV_series)

Given how much many of us grew up with BBS'es and personal computers in the 1980s, this show really hits home hard. Highly recommended. It was recently on Netflix, and is essentially equated to "Mad Men for PC Hackers."

Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?
-=- Kaelon -=-

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Kaelon to All on Sun May 01 2022 14:54:45

Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

I had various issues with it, but most of all when they take the floppy disk out of one platform computer and put it into a different one to load up the same program.

Ehhhhh.. :)

It's an entertaining show, though.

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[...]

Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

YES, seen it several years ago. I thought it was pretty good
too. I really liked the part where they are trying to recover
the lost data on the hard drives.


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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Joe Phigan to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 01:46 am

I had various issues with it, but most of all when they take the floppy disk out of one platform computer and put it into a different one to load up the same program.

I completely forgot about that scene, but, yes, it was absolutely cringe-worthy. I feel that it could be dismissed ever-so-slightly because so much else of the series was entertaining and felt truth-ish, even from a fictitious rendering of the 1980s events.
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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Ogg to Kaelon on Sun May 01 2022 08:27 pm

YES, seen it several years ago. I thought it was pretty good
too. I really liked the part where they are trying to recover
the lost data on the hard drives.

Yes! I especially like how they built a work-around to break the IBM PC-DOS kernel; even though I'm in my 40s, I vaguely recall as a child some drama around the introduction of compatibles. I had to talk with my dad who clued me in about the seriousness of breaking IBM's apparent monopoly. Extremely entertaining!
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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Kaelon to All on Sun May 01 2022 02:54 pm

There's a fantastic TV series, "Halt and Catch Fire," a period drama about t
and is really well done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(TV_series)

Given how much many of us grew up with BBS'es and personal computers in the

Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?
-=- Kaelon -=-

A friend used to work for Heathkit back in the 70's and early 80's and he
said Halt and Catch Fire captured the feel of what it was like in th efirst season. In the days of the H-8 and H89 before Zenith electronics boughth
them to create Zenith Data Systems, it was common to go to a computer trade show and see Jobs and Woz and other soon to be big named people looking at their products. Bill Gates and Paul Allen flew in several times after DOS
was adopted by IBM, and ZDS made a couple of portable machines with DOS on a ROM to boot faster without tieing up the floppy drive.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Kaelon to All on Sun May 01 2022 02:54 pm

There's a fantastic TV series, "Halt and Catch Fire," a period drama about the creation of modern day personal computing starting in the early 1980s. It is fictionalized and is supposed to be an amalgamation of the IBM "Compatible" and Compaq storylines, and is really well done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(TV_series)

Given how much many of us grew up with BBS'es and personal computers in the 1980s, this show really hits home hard. Highly recommended. It was recently on Netflix, and is essentially equated to "Mad Men for PC Hackers."

Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

I've only seen part of the first episode. I've been meaning to keep watching it.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 11:13 am

I've only seen part of the first episode. I've been meaning to keep watching it.

The first episode is slow (like many good period dramas these days), and the entire series speeds up after the second episode. You really get pulled into the excitement, especially as programmer, sales exec, and engineer start to conspire against IBM.
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Kaelon wrote to All <=-

Given how much many of us grew up with BBS'es and personal computers in the 1980s, this show really hits home hard. Highly recommended. It
was recently on Netflix, and is essentially equated to "Mad Men for PC Hackers."

Love the show, love the metaphor.


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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Kaelon to All on Sun May 01 2022 02:54 pm

Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

Probably my favorite show of the last decade. The characters and setting are great.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Codefenix to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 04:06 pm

Probably my favorite show of the last decade. The characters and setting are great.

Totally agree. I definitely feel like it's the spiritual successor to Mad Men, and better suited for us hacker types, anyways. ;)
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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Joe Phigan to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 01:46 am

Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Kaelon to All on Sun May 01 2022 14:54:45

Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

I had various issues with it, but most of all when they take the floppy disk

Ehhhhh.. :)

It's an entertaining show, though.

Nitpicking a show is part of the fun watching it unless it spoils the suspensi on of reality. The art and set department's job is to provide the feel of
the environment without drilling down to reality. Reality is dry and boring.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Kaelon to Ogg on Sun May 01 2022 10:08 pm

Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Ogg to Kaelon on Sun May 01 2022 08:27 pm

YES, seen it several years ago. I thought it was pretty good
too. I really liked the part where they are trying to recover
the lost data on the hard drives.

Yes! I especially like how they built a work-around to break the IBM PC-DOS
of breaking IBM's apparent monopoly. Extremely entertaining!
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I read about a computer that was used mainly in classrooms in Russia, and
it's name was the Russian word for Apple. Collectors have confirmed they
were pirated Apple clones with Wozniak's notations left in the BIOS.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Joe Phigan on Mon May 02 2022 09:36 pm

Nitpicking a show is part of the fun watching it unless it spoils the suspensi on of reality. The art and set department's job is to provide the feel of
the environment without drilling down to reality. Reality is dry and boring.

irc is like boats.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 09:42 pm

I read about a computer that was used mainly in classrooms in Russia, and it's name was the Russian word for Apple. Collectors have confirmed they were pirated Apple clones with Wozniak's notations left in the BIOS.

That's hilarious! I had no clue about this.
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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Kaelon to All on Sun May 01 2022 02:54 pm

There's a fantastic TV series, "Halt and Catch Fire," a period drama about t creation of modern day personal computing starting in the early 1980s. It is

Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

I loved it and also lived it. ;-)

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: HusTler to Kaelon on Tue May 03 2022 11:00 am

I loved it and also lived it. ;-)

Tell us your story! I was a kid in the 1980s, so I grew up "living" it through the eyes and lives of my parents, who were both programmers for AT&T and later Amdahl Mainframes / Fujitsu post-acquisition. I love the spirit of innovation, experimentation, and the wide-eyed optimism that anything is possible.
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Codefenix wrote to Kaelon <=-

Probably my favorite show of the last decade. The characters and
setting are great.

I've not been sucked into a show, and more gutpunched by a character leaving the show as I was with HACF. Loved it, especially with the time jumps and scenery/cultural changes each season.





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Moondog wrote to Kaelon <=-

I read about a computer that was used mainly in classrooms in Russia,
and it's name was the Russian word for Apple. Collectors have
confirmed they were pirated Apple clones with Wozniak's notations left
in the BIOS.

Compaq reverse engineered the PC BIOS much in the way they described in
HACF, although with some theatrical license on the show. I always thought
that Cardiff was supposed to be Compaq, seeing as they were both in Texas
and both battling IBM in the marketplace.

Compaq didn't come from a mainframe background, though.


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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Kaelon to Moondog on Tue May 03 2022 06:47 am

Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 09:42 pm

I read about a computer that was used mainly in classrooms in Russia, and it's name was the Russian word for Apple. Collectors have confirmed they were pirated Apple clones with Wozniak's notations left in the BIOS.

That's hilarious! I had no clue about this.
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This is one o fthe reasons I've always been skeptical to all those urban
myths about people having a 1965 Buick getting 65mpg until it wass recalled, then got 12mpg like every other land yacht. The story is usually a
conspiracy by the oil companies buying up and burying fuel efficiency technology to keep companies from producing it. The problem is you can only buy out people in a capitalistic system. If Cold War era Soviets or China heard there was someoone building a 65mpg carburator or cheap, easy to service
enrgy cells, they'd send in spies or an extraction team to steal that technology. The Soviets and Red China cannot be paid off from using a technology that would put them ahead of every country in the free world.
They were not afraid to freely steal intellectual property.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Kaelon on Tue May 03 2022 01:36 pm

technology. The Soviets and Red China cannot be paid off from using a technology that would put them ahead of every country in the free world. They were not afraid to freely steal intellectual property.

I would generally agree, but one 'conspiracy theory' that is hard to shake is the proven story of how General Motors killed the first Electric Vehicle, despite its proven technical success. Perhaps gasoline was too cheap, and the entire supply manufacturing line was U.S.-controlled, but there is enough industry insider disclosure about this that it is generally accepted as fact.
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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Codefenix <=-

Probably my favorite show of the last decade. The characters and
setting are great.

I've not been sucked into a show, and more gutpunched by a
character leaving the show as I was with HACF. Loved it,
especially with the time jumps and scenery/cultural changes each
season.

I haven't watched this, and want to...

A quick check makes it appear that it's not watchable on the usual
streaming services, for free. Any secrets as to how it can be watched
without yet another subscription?


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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue May 03 2022 08:25 am

Moondog wrote to Kaelon <=-

I read about a computer that was used mainly in classrooms in Russia, and it's name was the Russian word for Apple. Collectors have confirmed they were pirated Apple clones with Wozniak's notations left in the BIOS.

Compaq reverse engineered the PC BIOS much in the way they described in HACF, although with some theatrical license on the show. I always thought that Cardiff was supposed to be Compaq, seeing as they were both in Texas and both battling IBM in the marketplace.

Compaq didn't come from a mainframe background, though.

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I used to work for Zenith Data Systems from 1990-1996. Zenith Electronics Cor p bought the comp[uter division of Heathkit around 1979 and named them ZDS. Heathkit was a company that produced educational materials and DIY kits.
In the early days you could buy an airplane kit, a go kart , or motor bike, buit later on they centered the business on consumer electrnics DIY kits.
You could buy a stereo receiver or a TV set, ham radio, for examples, and
even sold test equipment and diagnostic tools either assembled or in a kit.

In the 70's they branched kits teaching about micro controllers and cpus.
You could buy a kit with a keypad and led display, and enter in code line perline and execute it. Abreadboard on the trainer allowed you to interface the trainer with self made circuits. They produced a system called the H8 which
was a competitor for the Altair and IMSAI S-100 bus systems. Intead of rows
of led's and toggle swtiches, they opted for using an octal keypad and 8 segment numeric led displays. This eveolved into the H89, which was an H19 terminal integrated with the H8. IIRC Hacf used Zenith 89's (the re-branded H89) to fill the role of H19 terminals because the prop house had enough.

Anyways, they also shared similar beginnings as Cardiff. Cardiff also had a
bit of Texas Instruments in their DNA.

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Kaelon to Moondog on Tue May 03 2022 02:43 pm

Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Kaelon on Tue May 03 2022 01:36 pm

technology. The Soviets and Red China cannot be paid off from using a technology that would put them ahead of every country in the free world. They were not afraid to freely steal intellectual property.

I would generally agree, but one 'conspiracy theory' that is hard to shake i ring line was U.S.-controlled, but there is enough industry insider disclosu _____
-=: Kaelon :=-

A company killing off their own development is different than external investors suppressing technology. Xerox is a good example of a company
killing a good idea because of cost due to the technology available. In 1973 they create the Palo Alto Research Center to research the possibilies of a paperless office. They developed not only the workstation, but also the servers, the network, and laser printing and email system to make it work. Part of what killed it was the price of a workstation being $10,000 usd in a time when a Buick LeSabre cost $3000. The upper managment was short sighted and seen it as an exercise in spending money. After all, they were a copier/ imagin company. Why interfere with their paper driven businesses?

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Compaq reverse engineered the PC BIOS much in the way they described in
HACF, although with some theatrical license on the show. I always thought that Cardiff was supposed to be Compaq, seeing as they were both in Texas
and both battling IBM in the marketplace.

Compaq didn't come from a mainframe background, though.

IIRC, Compaq also didn't used to sell radio kits, either, but part of it
could have been based off of what they did.


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I would generally agree, but one 'conspiracy theory' that is hard to shake is e proven story of how General Motors killed the first Electric Vehicle, despit
its proven technical success. Perhaps gasoline was too cheap, and the entire pply manufacturing line was U.S.-controlled, but there is enough industry insi
r disclosure about this that it is generally accepted as fact.

General Motors did not exist when the first electric vehicles were built
well over 100 years ago.


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Dumas Walker wrote to KAELON <=-

General Motors did not exist when the first electric vehicles were
built well over 100 years ago.

While GM itself didn't exist, the companies that went into GM did exist and some did produce electric cars for a time.

The best examples of electric cars still run at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, MI. The date I remember is 1812 for those (but don't quote me on that). The museum even has a hybrid car from 1898.

But people need to remember that, at that time, the only paved roads were within the city limits, greatly limiting the area where one could drive an electic car - since they didn't have the power to go through things like deep mud.


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Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Anyways, they also shared similar beginnings as Cardiff. Cardiff also
had a bit of Texas Instruments in their DNA.

Interesting, since the Clarks worked there and left to start their
first project. If memory serves, one of their daughters had a Speak
and Spell that they fixed, and they were involved in the design.




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Moondog wrote to Kaelon <=-

A company killing off their own development is different than external investors suppressing technology. Xerox is a good example of a company killing a good idea because of cost due to the technology available.
In 1973 they create the Palo Alto Research Center to research the possibilies of a paperless office.

Maybe they let their project fail because their business model
revolved around TRILLIONS OF PIECES OF PAPER?

The upper managment was short sighted and seen it as an
exercise in spending money. After all, they were a copier/ imagin company. Why interfere with their paper driven businesses?

:)

I think of the stories of Steve Wozniak approaching his employer
(Hewlett Packard) to notify them that he'd created the Apple while
under a work product agreement and HP had first right to his IP. They
passed on it.






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Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

Compaq didn't come from a mainframe background, though.

IIRC, Compaq also didn't used to sell radio kits, either, but part of
it could have been based off of what they did.

Yep, many of the elements of the show appear to be amalgams.



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General Motors did not exist when the first electric vehicles were built well over 100 years ago.

Good point. I'm talking about the event in the 1980s that, in essence,
provided the framework for the modern day EV. If GMC had leaned into that innovative moment, we would probably have superior battery technology by now. That said, our electric future is inevitable at this stage. It just isn't being pioneered by General Motors.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 07:10 am

I think of the stories of Steve Wozniak approaching his employer
(Hewlett Packard) to notify them that he'd created the Apple while
under a work product agreement and HP had first right to his IP. They passed on it.

I remember the scene in "Pirates of Silicon Valley" showing Steve Wozniak bringing their early Apple computer to his manager at HP, and the reasoning for HP passing on it was along the lines of "what would people at home want with a computer?"

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But people need to remember that, at that time, the only paved roads were within the city limits, greatly limiting the area where one could drive an electic car - since they didn't have the power to go through things like deep mud.

A lot of places outside of cities also didn't have electricity.


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Anyways, they also shared similar beginnings as Cardiff. Cardiff also had a bit of Texas Instruments in their DNA.

Interesting, since the Clarks worked there and left to start their
first project. If memory serves, one of their daughters had a Speak
and Spell that they fixed, and they were involved in the design.

I don't think Clark's wife worked at Cardiff... or are you saying that they both worked at TI at one point (she did for sure)?


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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed May 04 2022 04:04 pm

Compaq reverse engineered the PC BIOS much in the way they described in HACF, although with some theatrical license on the show. I always thought that Cardiff was supposed to be Compaq, seeing as they were both in Texas and both battling IBM in the marketplace.

Compaq didn't come from a mainframe background, though.

IIRC, Compaq also didn't used to sell radio kits, either, but part of it could have been based off of what they did.

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Columbia Data Products was the first company to use the clean room technique to create an IBM compatible BIOS, and they were already producing Z-80
systems that ran CP/M. Compaq was the second company to clean room a BIOS in a
way IBM couldn't defeat. Cardiff is an alagam of several companies trying to exploit the IBM compatible loophole. Some of the Cardiff Giant's
technologies and enhacements were based on several smaller companies designs from that period. Mutiny was inspired by Playnet, and player avatar section was inspired by Quantumlink and Lucasfilm's Caribe with slight changes.

That is what made the show interesting. The show is full of honorable
mentions and several red herrings regarding the direction the show was moving in. There was also the Dell inspired path which took a strange turn

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to KAELON on Wed May 04 2022 04:04 pm

I would generally agree, but one 'conspiracy theory' that is hard to shake e proven story of how General Motors killed the first Electric Vehicle, de its proven technical success. Perhaps gasoline was too cheap, and the ent pply manufacturing line was U.S.-controlled, but there is enough industry r disclosure about this that it is generally accepted as fact.

General Motors did not exist when the first electric vehicles were built well over 100 years ago.

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True, but GM had brought the idea back and were very interested in seeing an electric car as being more than a glorified golf cart. Ford was one of many that produced a battery powered car in the early 1900's. One company built what looked like a covered wagon with an electric motor targetted towards
rich women who wanted to drive but not mess with turning a crank. It had a range of two or three miles, which was enough range to get downtown and back.
Fords cars were part of a sales pitch to help his buddy Edison to sell electricity. Ford also produced cars that were made of hemp fibers and ran
off hemp oil. He also made cars that ran of ethanol to promote farming. I can't imagine Ford was that serious in making an electric car when he
realized the technology to make high capacity batteries was in it's infancy.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 06:59 am

Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Anyways, they also shared similar beginnings as Cardiff. Cardiff also had a bit of Texas Instruments in their DNA.

Interesting, since the Clarks worked there and left to start their
first project. If memory serves, one of their daughters had a Speak
and Spell that they fixed, and they were involved in the design.

... Towards the insignificant

Name dropping and Easter eggs help build their world and make it valid. Famicon/ Nintendo also makes an appearance. Gordon's name is derived from Gordon Moore, a co-founder of Intel.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 07:10 am

Moondog wrote to Kaelon <=-

A company killing off their own development is different than external investors suppressing technology. Xerox is a good example of a company killing a good idea because of cost due to the technology available.
In 1973 they create the Palo Alto Research Center to research the possibilies of a paperless office.

Maybe they let their project fail because their business model
revolved around TRILLIONS OF PIECES OF PAPER?

The upper managment was short sighted and seen it as an
exercise in spending money. After all, they were a copier/ imagin company. Why interfere with their paper driven businesses?

:)

I think of the stories of Steve Wozniak approaching his employer
(Hewlett Packard) to notify them that he'd created the Apple while
under a work product agreement and HP had first right to his IP. They
passed on it.

... Go outside. Shut the door.

Xerox passed on several technologies that came from Xerox PARC. hard to
imagine several of the eveyday technologies we enjoy were solid concepts 50 years ago.

Check out Doug Engelbart's Mother of all Demos on Youtube from
1968. The live demonstration featured the introduction of a complete
computer hardware and software system called the oN-Line System or, more commonly, NLS. The 90-minute presentation demonstrated for the first time
many of the fundamental elements of modern personal computing: windows, hypertext, graphics, efficient navigation and command input, video conferencing, the computer mouse, word processing, dynamic file linking, revision control, and a collaborative real-time editor. Engelbart's presentation was the first to publicly demonstrate all of these elements in a single system.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 05 2022 09:26 am

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 04 2022 07:10 am

I think of the stories of Steve Wozniak approaching his employer (Hewlett Packard) to notify them that he'd created the Apple while under a work product agreement and HP had first right to his IP. They passed on it.

I remember the scene in "Pirates of Silicon Valley" showing Steve Wozniak br

Nightfox

Wehn I worked in nuclear power generation, my boss had been there since the plant went online in 1978. Computer Science and Services was a subset from
the Instrumentation and Controls department. His boss bought 3 desktops and upper management freaked out. They were considered less useful than a
terminal because they couldn't connect to anything, and wereway less powerful than a mainframe. It took several years before minds were changed. 15 years ago they replaced most of their computers with a thin client environment,
then recently went back to desktops due to downfalls in having a terminal server being a critical point of failure

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Thu May 05 2022 04:57 pm

Anyways, they also shared similar beginnings as Cardiff. Cardiff als had a bit of Texas Instruments in their DNA.

Interesting, since the Clarks worked there and left to start their
first project. If memory serves, one of their daughters had a Speak
and Spell that they fixed, and they were involved in the design.

I don't think Clark's wife worked at Cardiff... or are you saying that they both worked at TI at one point (she did for sure)?

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Clark and Donna met in college, like the creators of Cisco. Clark worked for Cardiff, Donna worked for TI.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri May 06 2022 11:32 am

Wehn I worked in nuclear power generation, my boss had been there since the plant went online in 1978. Computer Science and Services was a subset from the Instrumentation and Controls department. His boss bought 3 desktops and upper management freaked out. They were considered less useful than a terminal because they couldn't connect to anything, and wereway less powerful than a mainframe. It took several years before minds were changed. 15 years ago they replaced most of their computers with a thin client environment, then recently went back to desktops due to downfalls in having a terminal server being a critical point of failure

With the online and cloud apps being developed these days, I think it's a little weird that we've gone from using dumb terminals connected to mainframes years ago, to having our own powerful desktop computers, to now many people using simple devices using online software again.

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Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

Interesting, since the Clarks worked there and left to start their
first project. If memory serves, one of their daughters had a Speak
and Spell that they fixed, and they were involved in the design.

I don't think Clark's wife worked at Cardiff... or are you saying that they both worked at TI at one point (she did for sure)?

I thought they both did at one time. I'm sure there's a HACF wiki
out there I can check...



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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Fri May 06 2022 02:41 pm

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri May 06 2022 11:32 am

Wehn I worked in nuclear power generation, my boss had been there since the plant went online in 1978. Computer Science and Services was a subs from the Instrumentation and Controls department. His boss bought 3 desktops and upper management freaked out. They were considered less useful than a terminal because they couldn't connect to anything, and wereway less powerful than a mainframe. It took several years before mi were changed. 15 years ago they replaced most of their computers with a thin client environment, then recently went back to desktops due to downfalls in having a terminal server being a critical point of failure

With the online and cloud apps being developed these days, I think it's a li g online software again.

Nightfox

Unless you are doing something hardware intensive such as gaming, video
editing or 3d modeling or cad. Served apps are the way to go. No worries about software patches at the server end. That was one of the nice things about thin and zero clients. We had a few very intelligent, yet sometime clueless engineers that would not read who emails are from or weigh in their minds if an emal seemed odd, and would click on aatachments they think are
pdf or other documents, then suddenly get a notice their session is infected.
Luckily with thin sessions, you can close that session and the virus is
gone.

Downsides are bandwidth and enough memory and cpu utilization set aside to
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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat May 07 2022 12:56 pm

Unless you are doing something hardware intensive such as gaming, video editing or 3d modeling or cad. Served apps are the way to go. No worries about software patches at the server end. That was one of the nice things

Downsides are bandwidth and enough memory and cpu utilization set aside to run everything

I can see how served apps can have their advantages. But I was going to say, latency due to bandwidth is something that annoys me about online apps. I have a device powerful enough to run it, and generally I'd tend to prefer running it directly on my device so there are no latency issues.

And I do a lot of what you mentioned above - Gaming, video editing (usually just video transcoding and upscalign), and I also do software development sometimes. Those all are things where it's useful to have all that stuff installed locally.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Fri May 06 2022 06:52 am

Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

Interesting, since the Clarks worked there and left to start their
first project. If memory serves, one of their daughters had a Speak
and Spell that they fixed, and they were involved in the design.

I don't think Clark's wife worked at Cardiff... or are you saying that they both worked at TI at one point (she did for sure)?

I thought they both did at one time. I'm sure there's a HACF wiki
out there I can check...

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Clark and Donna met in college, tried to make their own pc, but after that Clark joined Cardiff and Donna joined TI

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat May 07 2022 02:53 pm

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat May 07 2022 12:56 pm

Unless you are doing something hardware intensive such as gaming, video editing or 3d modeling or cad. Served apps are the way to go. No worrie about software patches at the server end. That was one of the nice thin

Downsides are bandwidth and enough memory and cpu utilization set aside run everything

I can see how served apps can have their advantages. But I was going to say evice so there are no latency issues.

And I do a lot of what you mentioned above - Gaming, video editing (usually

Nightfox

In a business environment many of those things you mention (and I mentioned)
as being processor intensive) are non-issues, since gaming is usually
forbidden on company time, and video editing, drafting and design work are pretty exclusive. Imagine maintaining a site with 2000 users, and only 40
fall into a case where they would need a high end machine. You could set up
a tier system with regards to which departments get better gear, however you still have to have server based management, licensing and a virus and malware protection suite. While the initial server investment will be high,
purchasing thin or zero clients saves money over time when it normally comes time to upgrade physical assets or rolling out a new operating system. If a thin user's session is chirping out irregular net traffic, send a message to the user to log out and log back on. Any infection or hijacker is gone when the session closes.



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I don't think Clark's wife worked at Cardiff... or are you saying that they
both worked at TI at one point (she did for sure)?

Clark and Donna met in college, like the creators of Cisco. Clark worked for Cardiff, Donna worked for TI.

Been a while since I watched, but that is how I remember it.


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I don't think Clark's wife worked at Cardiff... or are you saying that they both worked at TI at one point (she did for sure)?

I thought they both did at one time. I'm sure there's a HACF wiki
out there I can check...

Could have. I do know that at some point, before the period the show
covered, they worked on a PC-type pet project together and that it
didn't work out. That came up some while Clark was trying to get the Giant together.


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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sun May 08 2022 08:03 am

In a business environment many of those things you mention (and I mentioned) as being processor intensive) are non-issues, since gaming is usually forbidden on company time, and video editing, drafting and design

I was thinking mainly of home use. If business use was the focus of the thread, maybe I had missed that.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Sun May 08 2022 01:52 pm

I don't think Clark's wife worked at Cardiff... or are you saying tha they both worked at TI at one point (she did for sure)?

I thought they both did at one time. I'm sure there's a HACF wiki
out there I can check...

Could have. I do know that at some point, before the period the show covered, they worked on a PC-type pet project together and that it
didn't work out. That came up some while Clark was trying to get the Giant together.

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That was in and right after college. Their relationship was based on the founders of Cisco meeting in college, who looked for a way they could bridge the networks between their dorms in order to chat.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Mon May 09 2022 08:49 am

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sun May 08 2022 08:03 am

In a business environment many of those things you mention (and I mentioned) as being processor intensive) are non-issues, since gaming i usually forbidden on company time, and video editing, drafting and desi

I was thinking mainly of home use. If business use was the focus of the thr

Nightfox

We're on the same page, and even the same book now:)

Yeah,I thought that was clear when I mentioned a 2000 user environment earlie r.

Thin clients are more of a "pay me now" form of maintaining a multi-user desktop environment. It pays off in the long run when software patches and revisions are made, or someone's workstation hardware craps out, and they can walk over to any open desk in their department and have access to all their apps and storage. The last project I was on was at a hospital, and they used
a hybrid environemnt where they used regular desktops that ran apps locally, however the apps they had access to were controlled by a remote profile manager. Once you isgned in, the Zen desktop would pop up a window with all the apps you have access to. If you need some thing else, you fill out a request and have your manager approve it. When received, an admin will add permissions to that app in your profile. Log out and log back in, and the
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Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

Thin clients are more of a "pay me now" form of maintaining a
multi-user desktop environment. It pays off in the long run when
software patches and revisions are made, or someone's workstation
hardware craps out, and they can walk over to any open desk in their department and have access to all their apps and storage.

As an IT manager, I always thought they'd be a great solution for
most office workers, but when we set up roaming profiles to get the
portability aspect of thin clients, I'd get that person who'd put *all* of
their apps on the desktop, making their roaming profile huge. It'd
take them forever to log in over a fast ethernet connection.

They'd complain, we'd urge them to put their files on the server, and
they'd prefer to complain that make something work.


(aside: I was watching old episodes of "Computer Chronicles", and
they talked about, if you had an "internet TV", they could "blast"
FOUR MEGABYTES work of programs to you, in less than 2 minutes! My,
how far we've come...)



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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue May 10 2022 06:45 am

(aside: I was watching old episodes of "Computer Chronicles", and
they talked about, if you had an "internet TV", they could "blast"
FOUR MEGABYTES work of programs to you, in less than 2 minutes! My,
how far we've come...)

Yeah, we've come a long way.
I think I might have seen a couple episodes of that show when I was a kid, but I don't remember exactly. I started watching some of those episodes on YouTube and I thought I recognized the host and some of the things they had talked about (i.e., the episode where they talked about buying a Mac vs. a PC, etc.).

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue May 10 2022 06:45 am

Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

Thin clients are more of a "pay me now" form of maintaining a multi-user desktop environment. It pays off in the long run when software patches and revisions are made, or someone's workstation hardware craps out, and they can walk over to any open desk in their department and have access to all their apps and storage.

As an IT manager, I always thought they'd be a great solution for
most office workers, but when we set up roaming profiles to get the
portability aspect of thin clients, I'd get that person who'd put *all* of
their apps on the desktop, making their roaming profile huge. It'd
take them forever to log in over a fast ethernet connection.

They'd complain, we'd urge them to put their files on the server, and
they'd prefer to complain that make something work.

(aside: I was watching old episodes of "Computer Chronicles", and
they talked about, if you had an "internet TV", they could "blast"
FOUR MEGABYTES work of programs to you, in less than 2 minutes! My,
how far we've come...)

... Is there something missing?

Yeah, there's always some misfit trying to use their system is a way that breaks things. At a previous site we had to lock down a user's profile so the y couldn't change things enoughto get in trouble. When they would complain
to their upper management anout us preventing from doing his job, we prove he can do his job like everyone else can the way the system was deployed, then sh ow the manager the number of how many times he would call to ask for things
he cannot have, or time spent undoing his mistakes.

One day heefound a setting deep within Lotus Notes that we couldn't figure
out why it had this option. It disabled passwords and authentication, which was required to access his inbox, archives, and other message areas and knowledge bases. If you tried to fix it, it would not provide a way to authenticate the connection. It totally screwed up his inbox and profile on his home drive. Luckily dowadays with citrix and ZEnworks all that setup
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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 10 2022 08:59 am

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue May 10 2022 06:45 am

(aside: I was watching old episodes of "Computer Chronicles", and
they talked about, if you had an "internet TV", they could "blast"
FOUR MEGABYTES work of programs to you, in less than 2 minutes! My,
how far we've come...)

Yeah, we've come a long way.
I think I might have seen a couple episodes of that show when I was a kid, b sode where they talked about buying a Mac vs. a PC, etc.).

Nightfox

It use dto air on the local PBS station back in the mid yo late 80's. I
recall one where they had two companies reviewing their product, and the
Korean based firm's sales rep said they were experimenting with joining severa l lcd panels to form larger panels. Before then LCD panels were long,
slender panels cpable of maybe 80x10 rows. The sales guy was estatic, sying active matrix color was right around the corner, and large high definition
TV's will put CRT's out of business. The other sales guy laughed, and stated
a bunch of stats about viewing angle, latency in twist rate of the crystals, and the computing power needed to multiplex all these little panels into one larger one. The slaes guy form the Korean company made a remark about a difference in US and Asian engineering investment. The main difference was regarding time span before maturity versus price. Us firms were looking at
3-5 years maturity versus what was possible in 10+ years.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Tue May 10 2022 12:17 am

manager. Once you isgned in, the Zen desktop would pop up a window with all the apps you have access to. If you need some thing else, you fill out a

It sounds like they were using Micro Focus ZENworks. I run ZENworks in the 1500 user environment that I admin, and it's the BEST THING EVER :)



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Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

It use dto air on the local PBS station back in the mid yo late 80's.
I recall one where they had two companies reviewing their product, and
the Korean based firm's sales rep said they were experimenting with joining severa l lcd panels to form larger panels.

Gary Kildall, the co-host with the beard, is the guy who famously
missed an appointment with IBM and missed the opportunity to
sell CPM/86 to them for the IBM PC.

If memory serves, one of our local affiliates in the San Francisco
Bay Area produced the show. I love seeing balding nerds with wire-rim
prescription glasses in white starched shirts and tie-pins talking
about microprocessors, micro-floppies and more effective data
processing, reminds me of where IT came from. In Halt and Catch Fire,
when Joe goes to work for his girlfriend's dad's company in season 2,
it wasn't that far off.

One of the episodes of Computer Chronicles was at CoffeeNet, an
internet cafe before coffee shops knew what Linux or Wifi was. I
remember seeing it back in the late '90s.

I don't know if they ever covered SFNet, a multi-node dial-up BBS in
San Francisco that had coin-op kiosks in coffee shops and
laundromats. They did a lot to bring non-computer people into the
community, especially when a lot of people didn't have home computers
yet.






Before then LCD

panels were long, slender panels cpable of maybe 80x10 rows. The sales guy was estatic, sying active matrix color was right around the corner, and large high definition TV's will put CRT's out of business. The
other sales guy laughed, and stated a bunch of stats about viewing
angle, latency in twist rate of the crystals, and the computing power needed to multiplex all these little panels into one larger one. The slaes guy form the Korean company made a remark about a difference in
US and Asian engineering investment. The main difference was regarding time span before maturity versus price. Us firms were looking at 3-5 years maturity versus what was possible in 10+ years.
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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 06:53 am

One of the episodes of Computer Chronicles was at CoffeeNet, an
internet cafe before coffee shops knew what Linux or Wifi was. I
remember seeing it back in the late '90s.

Most episodes are on YouTube, and AFAIK all of them are on archive.org.

https://www.youtube.com/user/ComputerChroniclesYT https://archive.org/details/computerchronicles


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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 06:53 am

Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-

It use dto air on the local PBS station back in the mid yo late 80's.
I recall one where they had two companies reviewing their product, and the Korean based firm's sales rep said they were experimenting with joining severa l lcd panels to form larger panels.

Gary Kildall, the co-host with the beard, is the guy who famously
missed an appointment with IBM and missed the opportunity to
sell CPM/86 to them for the IBM PC.

If memory serves, one of our local affiliates in the San Francisco
Bay Area produced the show. I love seeing balding nerds with wire-rim
prescription glasses in white starched shirts and tie-pins talking
about microprocessors, micro-floppies and more effective data
processing, reminds me of where IT came from. In Halt and Catch Fire,
when Joe goes to work for his girlfriend's dad's company in season 2,
it wasn't that far off.

One of the episodes of Computer Chronicles was at CoffeeNet, an
internet cafe before coffee shops knew what Linux or Wifi was. I
remember seeing it back in the late '90s.

I don't know if they ever covered SFNet, a multi-node dial-up BBS in
San Francisco that had coin-op kiosks in coffee shops and
laundromats. They did a lot to bring non-computer people into the
community, especially when a lot of people didn't have home computers
yet.

Before then LCD

panels were long, slender panels cpable of maybe 80x10 rows. The sales guy was estatic, sying active matrix color was right around the corner, and large high definition TV's will put CRT's out of business. The other sales guy laughed, and stated a bunch of stats about viewing angle, latency in twist rate of the crystals, and the computing power needed to multiplex all these little panels into one larger one. The slaes guy form the Korean company made a remark about a difference in US and Asian engineering investment. The main difference was regarding time span before maturity versus price. Us firms were looking at 3-5 years maturity versus what was possible in 10+ years.
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Look up the Gary Kildall special of Computer chronicles either on Youtube or Archive.org. Associates of Gary say their meetings with IBM went
differently. Bill Gates already had his foot in the door when he was
consulted to help write the IBM BIOS. He knew alot of things he shouldn't
have known as a competitor going in to bid on selling an operating system.

Kildall would pitch his companie's products when possible on the show. He produced a graphics enivronment manager called GEM. It was his take on the Apple windowed OS and would run on 512k while Windows required over 640k.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Fri May 06 2022 02:41 pm

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire

With the online and cloud apps being developed these days, I think it's a little weird that we've gone from using dumb terminals connected to mainframes years ago, to having our own powerful desktop computers, to now many people using simple devices using online software again.

i think it makes perfect sense.
you should only use what you need.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue May 10 2022 06:45 am

(aside: I was watching old episodes of "Computer Chronicles", and
they talked about, if you had an "internet TV", they could "blast"
FOUR MEGABYTES work of programs to you, in less than 2 minutes! My,
how far we've come...)

i used to have a bunch of those but i lost them.
good thing there's yt-dlp

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 10 2022 03:22 pm

Yeah, there's always some misfit trying to use their system is a way that breaks things. At a previous site we had to lock down a user's profile so the y couldn't change things enoughto get in trouble. When they would complain

i someone is at a desk. you have to watch them.
there will be some funny business going on.
my friend is an it manager and they have this software that shows all the users activity.

this dude got in trouble and they watched him delete his emails and try to cover his tracks. it was funny. they were deleted to HIM, but not for IT.
they track when they're idle, what programs are open, what emails they send and receive. it's kinda scarey.... if you're the type to screw off.

at my job as an electronics tech we had an engineer who would sit by himself and he would test controllers. when the bosses would go to lunch, he would sleep. then he would wake up and restart the computer over and over again.
he was stupid and didn't realize my desk was right behind his.

he was trying to break the computer by restarting it. either hardware, the OS or both, he was trying. i then asked him if someone was wrong with that computer and he jumped and got scared and said no.

he stopped doing it. later on i helpd out in another department and came back and that computer was dead and they said they could no longer use that test fixture to check controllers. i told my boss but there was no way to prove it unless they would have had a camera on him all day.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 06:53 am

Gary Kildall, the co-host with the beard, is the guy who famously
missed an appointment with IBM and missed the opportunity to
sell CPM/86 to them for the IBM PC.

he didn't miss it. his wife was going to handle the meeting.
he was on company business at another location.

His wife didn't want to sign the standard NDA without her husband. she should have known they had the NDA, so gary and his wife dropped the ball on that one.
ibm would have just bought them out. i'm not sure if that's what they wanted.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: MRO to Nightfox on Fri May 06 2022 05:45 pm

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Fri May 06 2022 02:41 pm

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire

With the online and cloud apps being developed these days, I think it's a little weird that we've gone from using dumb terminals connected to mainframes years ago, to having our own powerful desktop computers, to no many people using simple devices using online software again.

i think it makes perfect sense.
you should only use what you need.

When a pc was treated like an remote island, you need all the resources to be onhand. A terminals' apps and outside communications came in the form of a
big box in the basement, and allowed others to leave internal mail or send
ort broadcast messages to the all the users or just one user. Users were locked down from using external devices that could introduce a virus.

Chromebooks and Android desktops are great if you have the bandwidth. Again, apps are updated and managed from the source. Cloud storage allows for you
to damage your device and not worry about lost data.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: MRO to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 07:57 am

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 10 2022 03:22 pm

Yeah, there's always some misfit trying to use their system is a way that breaks things. At a previous site we had to lock down a user's profile s the y couldn't change things enoughto get in trouble. When they would complain

i someone is at a desk. you have to watch them.
there will be some funny business going on.
my friend is an it manager and they have this software that shows all the us

this dude got in trouble and they watched him delete his emails and try to c they track when they're idle, what programs are open, what emails they send

at my job as an electronics tech we had an engineer who would sit by himself he was stupid and didn't realize my desk was right behind his.

he was trying to break the computer by restarting it. either hardware, the O

he stopped doing it. later on i helpd out in another department and came ba ve had a camera on him all day.

The worst users were the "super users" that purchased an O'Reilly book on
every app and the OS they used, and would try to tweak the OS how they
wanted it to run. You can spot them on their first day because they would
ask if you have all the adapters they need to use their old IBM "M" keyboard they 've been using since the 1980's. The other jerk you had to look for
would comlain about his laptop, then you find the problem is some other company's VPN software is installed. The guy moonlights for a competitor,
and uses all his compnay provided assets because his other employer asks contractors to supply their own devices and run their apps through Citrix desk top. When you strip off their VPN and tell them that is not only an IT violat ion but also an ethics violation due to conflict of interest, they will go to their supervisor and play stupid and say we evil IT are making him non-productive. My boss will forward me the nastygram he received, I will
show him and the other guy's boss in an email what was done, and would copy
and paste the exact wording from the IT/ user's agreement and the ethics
guide page that says I should've immediately informed the legal department
and HR of this improper use of company assests and intellectual property.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 12 2022 03:41 pm

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed May 11 2022 06:53 am

Gary Kildall, the co-host with the beard, is the guy who famously
missed an appointment with IBM and missed the opportunity to
sell CPM/86 to them for the IBM PC.

he didn't miss it. his wife was going to handle the meeting.
he was on company business at another location.

His wife didn't want to sign the standard NDA without her husband. she shou ibm would have just bought them out. i'm not sure if that's what they wante

Correct. Folklore is he picked that day to go out flying his plane. he had flown to meet a customer earlier and met with IBM later. Part of the NDA
back then included disavowment of any meetings or deals. Gates could move faster and sweetened the deal with undercutting DRI's pricing because he had previously worked on creating IBM's BIOS and overheard things involved in the next step of development.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to MRO on Wed May 18 2022 10:10 pm

His wife didn't want to sign the standard NDA without her husband.

she
shou ibm would have just bought them out. i'm not sure if that's what they wante

Correct. Folklore is he picked that day to go out flying his plane.

he had
flown to meet a customer earlier and met with IBM later. Part of the NDA back then included disavowment of any meetings or deals. Gates could move faster and sweetened the deal with undercutting DRI's pricing because he had previously worked on creating IBM's BIOS and overheard things involved in the next step of development.

either way you could call them stupid for not knowing about the NDA. but like i said ibm wanted to buy them out, not license, so they DR would have said no anyways.

he was a successful man and enjoyed life. but he was an alcoholic.
atleast he's not a pedophile like bill gates


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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to MRO on Wed May 18 2022 09:38 pm

When a pc was treated like an remote island, you need all the resources to be onhand. A terminals' apps and outside communications came in the form of a big box in the basement, and allowed others to leave internal mail or send ort broadcast messages to the all the users or just one user. Users were locked down from using external devices that could introduce a virus.

Chromebooks and Android desktops are great if you have the bandwidth. Again, apps are updated and managed from the source. Cloud storage allows for you to damage your device and not worry about lost data.

Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks & similar that totally rely on online apps is if the connection is lost, then you can't do any work. It's basically an all-or-nothing thing. I wouldn't really like being stuck without a way to do what I want to do.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu May 19 2022 09:55 am

Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks & similar th

I manage just shy of 1k Chromebooks at work. They will, indeed, function without a 'Net connection, although you do need to have cached your documents locally first. This is not the default behaviour, though.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Belly to Nightfox on Thu May 19 2022 07:19 pm

Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks &
similar th

I manage just shy of 1k Chromebooks at work. They will, indeed, function without a 'Net connection, although you do need to have cached your documents locally first. This is not the default behaviour, though.

I thought pretty much all the software they ran was web-based though. Even if you cache your documents locally, do you have any way to open them without an internet connection?

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu May 19 2022 09:55 am

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to MRO on Wed May 18 2022 09:38 pm

When a pc was treated like an remote island, you need all the resources be onhand. A terminals' apps and outside communications came in the for of a big box in the basement, and allowed others to leave internal mail send ort broadcast messages to the all the users or just one user. User were locked down from using external devices that could introduce a vir

Chromebooks and Android desktops are great if you have the bandwidth. Again, apps are updated and managed from the source. Cloud storage allo for you to damage your device and not worry about lost data.

Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks & similar th y to do what I want to do.

Nightfox

That is why so much effort is put into hardening business networks. Several schools have moved to Chromebooks, and I know of one major appliance manufacturer that dumped MS Office in favor of Google apps. That was a bold move, mainly because of users being more familair with Office all these years rather than bandwidth.


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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Belly on Thu May 19 2022 07:39 pm

I thought pretty much all the software they ran was web-based though. Even

Your Chrome apps get cached locally, just like extensions and such in the Chrome browser. The devices do have local storage onboard. In fact, I have an old Dell Chromebook at home that I flashed new firmware on, that runs Ubuntu. It's one of my favorite little lappys. The SSD is only 16GB, but I keep a 32GB SD card mounted for extra storage.

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Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks &
similar that totally rely on online apps is if the connection is lost, then you can't do any work.

All of the Google apps let you work offline.



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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri May 20 2022 02:02 am

That is why so much effort is put into hardening business networks. Several schools have moved to Chromebooks, and I know of one major appliance manufacturer that dumped MS Office in favor of Google apps. That was a bold move, mainly because of users being more familair with Office all these years rather than bandwidth.

Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what you mean.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat May 21 2022 10:38 am

Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what you

I think Moondog was saying that the reason for it being a bold move was more to do with user unfamiliarity, rather than the need for more bandwidth.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat May 21 2022 10:38 am

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri May 20 2022 02:02 am

That is why so much effort is put into hardening business networks. Several schools have moved to Chromebooks, and I know of one major appliance manufacturer that dumped MS Office in favor of Google apps. T was a bold move, mainly because of users being more familair with Offic all these years rather than bandwidth.

Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what you

Nightfox

My stream of thought must've dropped off. I think I meant to say bandwidth re liant apps. Give someone who has used MS Office as their prime work tool an alternate tool set like Google Apps, and some may adapt quickly while others will struggle since it's not what they have always used. I even suspect ed a few admins that used changes in software as excuses as to why they couldn't
get work done in time. Their bosses would crate nastygrams to our bosses,
they we'd have our network security guy take a peak at their browsing habits and remote view them when they weren't aware. One user would ask why there's an eyeball on the system tray?


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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Belly to Nightfox on Sat May 21 2022 09:39 pm

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat May 21 2022 10:38 am

Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what

I think Moondog was saying that the reason for it being a bold move was more do with user unfamiliarity, rather than the need for more bandwidth.

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Bingo. I lost my stream of though somewhere in editing that. Transitions
from Windows have been way easier than moving between Office upgrades. With that knowledge, imagine how crazy it was to switch to something completely different!

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Belly on Sun May 22 2022 09:15 am

Ah I watched all 4 seasons of Halt and Catch Fire before it was on Netflix. Each season is sort of its own thing. I really liked Seasons 1 and 2. Season 2 mostly focuses on BBSs, well specificaly an online service called Mutiny run on/for Commodore computers. It's clearly like Play Net, which became Quantum Link, and eventually America Online.
My BBS (mutiny BBS) was set up i 2018 after I watched this season because I liked having the idea of having a platform where you could write your own games and have your users play them. Not that my BBS is trying to exactly mimic the online service in this show but it inspired me to get off my butt and get the BBS going.
I didn't much care for the last season personally, it was much more emotional which some people might prefer.

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I was wondering if "Mutiny" was indeed a BBS service. Now I
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I just finished semi-binge-watching all 4 seasons of it, having missed
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Reminded me of buying my "Kaypro PC" back in 1986. :-)



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Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Joe Phigan to Kaelon on Mon May 02 2022 01:46 am

Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Kaelon to All on Sun May 01 2022 14:54:45

Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

Absolutley loved it! Best TV Series I've seen in a very long time. Bindge watched most of it. ;-)

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Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

Absolutley loved it! Best TV Series I've seen in a very long time.
Bindge watched most of it.

I just re-watched the tail end of season 4. Great show.

I want a present-day season 5.


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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Hustler on Tue Aug 30 2022 07:30 am

Hustler wrote to Joe Phigan <=-

Has anyone else here seen it? What do you think about the show?

Absolutley loved it! Best TV Series I've seen in a very long time. Bindge watched most of it.

I just re-watched the tail end of season 4. Great show.

I want a present-day season 5.

... Abandon desire

i would prefer they stuck with the small jumps in time, and show the later
half of the 90's after the dot com boom and when file sharing services were hot. Remember Pointcast? Companies hated it because it consumed so much bandwith. Distributed computing was also new, so there's lots to play with
in that era. Pre-google search engine wars was big, too.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 05 2022 12:41 pm

i would prefer they stuck with the small jumps in time, and show the later half of the 90's after the dot com boom and when file sharing services were hot. Remember Pointcast? Companies hated it because it consumed so much bandwith. Distributed computing was also new, so there's lots to play with

i dont know of any company that used pointcast. i looked it up and internet sez it's like a screensaver that showed real time info.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: MRO to Moondog on Mon Sep 05 2022 02:13 pm

Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 05 2022 12:41 pm

i would prefer they stuck with the small jumps in time, and show the late half of the 90's after the dot com boom and when file sharing services w hot. Remember Pointcast? Companies hated it because it consumed so much bandwith. Distributed computing was also new, so there's lots to play wi

i dont know of any company that used pointcast. i looked it up and internet

Pointcast wasn't used. Users would install it on their systems and use it to stream news, sports scores or stock information. Same thing with limewire, napster,and other programs that would install adware or eat bandwidth. I had
a friend that was assigned to a project to help reduce bandwidth consumption for a big corporation. He would skim through internet logs, and flag non-critical sites that were taking up user's time and eating bandwidth and su bmit them to another team that would add them to be blocked or set off alerts when accessed. This was before established firewall programs came out with most of the common websites already on the block list.

When I worked in nuclear generation we had lots of issues with searches bringing up undesirable results. Connectors would be either male or female,
or somemone would be looking for petcock valves. We also had several
employees or contractors that would be from countries other than the US, and surfing Asian, Indian, or Eastern European sites would get flagged right
away. One employee who kept his Chinese national status so he could return some day would access news sites and streaming video sites at work. Some of these required special plug-ins which would set off virus scanners or
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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 05 2022 12:41 pm

hot. Remember Pointcast? Companies hated it because it consumed so much bandwith. Distributed computing was also new, so there's lots to play with

i dont know of any company that used pointcast. i looked it up and internet sez it's like a screensaver that showed real time info.

I worked at HP when Pointcast came out. It brought the local network down
to its knees every time that a new story was pushed, or a weather update,
or a score update, or an editor would publish a retraction, or...

The 90s were a weird time for consumer internet applications.

-+- Brightening your day. -Bex <3

... *Fry: Sweet justice! Sweet, juicy justice!
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