So which are you enjoying more, the conversation about Star Trek and how this could TOTALLY be <spoiler>a Borg origin story</spoiler> or chatting about ancient video manipulation tools?

Sorry, I haven't read the last 20+ posts, but the topic seems off.

At any rate, I'm not following the episodes count closely, but are we nearing the end of the season or a break in the season?

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Re: Discovery or Microsoft?
By: Android8675 to All on Thu Apr 04 2019 07:18 am

So which are you enjoying more, the conversation about Star Trek and how this could TOTALLY be <spoiler>a Borg origin story</spoiler> or chatting about ancient video manipulation tools?

Topics tend to drift, and people often don't bother to change the subjects when replying to messages.

Also, is that really a spoiler about a possible Borg origin story? That seems more like speculation than a spoiler, unless you actually have some inside information about what the writers are planning..

Nightfox

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Re: Discovery or Microsoft?
By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Thu Apr 04 2019 09:07 am

Also, is that really a spoiler about a possible Borg origin story? That seems more like speculation than a spoiler, unless you actually have some inside information about what the writers are planning..

Nah, that seems like a stretch even though the image of the "nanites" going into his bloodstream were very reminiscent of the Voyage episode where they showed them entering the bloodstream of victims. But, with Guinan being over 600 years old, and her family's first encounter with the Borg being around 2260, and Discovery taking place in 2255 (lots of web searching for timelines, etc.), this could be the great "maybe" of the series.

Okay, now this is giving me a freakin' headache.

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Re: Discovery or Microsoft?
By: Dream Master to Nightfox on Thu Apr 04 2019 01:16 pm

Also, is that really a spoiler about a possible Borg origin story?
That seems more like speculation than a spoiler, unless you actually
have some inside information about what the writers are planning..

Nah, that seems like a stretch even though the image of the "nanites" going into his bloodstream were very reminiscent of the Voyage episode where they showed them entering the bloodstream of victims. But, with Guinan being over 600 years old, and her family's first encounter with the Borg being around 2260, and Discovery taking place in 2255 (lots of web searching for timelines, etc.), this could be the great "maybe" of the series.

I thought the Borg were older than that. Guinan herself had once said the Borg had been around for "thousands of centuries".

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Re: Discovery or Microsoft?
By: Android8675 to All on Thu Apr 04 2019 07:18 am

So which are you enjoying more, the conversation about Star Trek and how this could TOTALLY be <spoiler>a Borg origin story</spoiler> or chatting about ancient video manipulation tools?

Sorry, I haven't read the last 20+ posts, but the topic seems off.

how long have you been here.

having an off topic has been a dovenet tradition. we have carried the same topic and talked about something entirely different for almost a year at times.

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Re: Discovery or Microsoft?
By: Android8675 to All on Thu Apr 04 2019 07:18 am

So which are you enjoying more, the conversation about Star Trek and how thi could TOTALLY be <spoiler>a Borg origin story</spoiler> or chatting about ancient video manipulation tools?

Sorry, I haven't read the last 20+ posts, but the topic seems off.

At any rate, I'm not following the episodes count closely, but are we nearin the end of the season or a break in the season?

-A.
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Regarding the Borg, there was a Voyager episode where they found an alien
from a long deceased race (like a thousand or so years) that remembers the
Borg being around before he went into stasis. His species once ruled the Delta quadrant, and Neelix said his species name is synonymous with the word "foolish."

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Re: Discovery or Microsoft?
By: Nightfox to Dream Master on Thu Apr 04 2019 04:02 pm

I thought the Borg were older than that. Guinan herself had once said the Borg had been around for "thousands of centuries".

She was always vague about that. This whole "timeline" playing could be a critical factor in the Borg creation. Then again, Star Trek is reinventing itself... why not have a little fun and make humanity the cause for the creation of the Borg.

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Re: Discovery or Microsoft?
By: Dream Master to Nightfox on Fri Apr 05 2019 10:08 am

I thought the Borg were older than that. Guinan herself had once said
the Borg had been around for "thousands of centuries".

She was always vague about that. This whole "timeline" playing could be a critical factor in the Borg creation. Then again, Star Trek is reinventing itself... why not have a little fun and make humanity the cause for the creation of the Borg.

I've heard some theories that V'Ger (from Star Trek: The Motion Picture) was how the Borg originated. That origin could be humanity as the cause for the creation of the Borg.

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Re: Discovery or Microsoft?
By: Nightfox to Dream Master on Fri Apr 05 2019 01:12 pm

Re: Discovery or Microsoft?
By: Dream Master to Nightfox on Fri Apr 05 2019 10:08 am

I thought the Borg were older than that. Guinan herself had once said
the Borg had been around for "thousands of centuries".

She was always vague about that. This whole "timeline" playing could be critical factor in the Borg creation. Then again, Star Trek is reinvent itself... why not have a little fun and make humanity the cause for the creation of the Borg.

I've heard some theories that V'Ger (from Star Trek: The Motion Picture) was how the Borg originated. That origin could be humanity as the cause for the creation of the Borg.

Nightfox

While ironic, that would make the Borg aware of Earth and I would've imagined they would've checked it out much sooner. That nitpick also applies to 7 of
9. Supposedly, neither the Alpha quadrant or the Borg had any exposure to
each other before Q intervened, however 7's parent's ship (and parents) would've provided knowledge to the Borg of the Alpha quadrant.

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Dream Master wrote to Nightfox <=-

She was always vague about that. This whole "timeline" playing could
be a critical factor in the Borg creation. Then again, Star Trek is reinventing itself... why not have a little fun and make humanity the cause for the creation of the Borg.

They can always go all timey-wimey and have them forced back in time
sometime in the disco timeline.



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Re: Discovery or Microsoft?
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri Apr 05 2019 07:22 pm

I've heard some theories that V'Ger (from Star Trek: The Motion
Picture) was how the Borg originated. That origin could be humanity
as the cause for the creation of the Borg.

While ironic, that would make the Borg aware of Earth and I would've imagined they would've checked it out much sooner. That nitpick also applies to 7 of 9. Supposedly, neither the Alpha quadrant or the Borg had any exposure to each other before Q intervened, however 7's parent's ship (and parents) would've provided knowledge to the Borg of the Alpha quadrant.

That's true.. I don't think V'Ger would be a valid origin for the Borg. And except for time travel, that would make the Borg fairly young, which would contradict other information in Star Trek canon.

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Also, is that really a spoiler about a possible Borg origin story? That seems more like speculation than a spoiler, unless you actually have some inside information about what the writers are planning..

This AI seems quite powerful, nanites that take control of people. My first thought is that seems a bit advanced for Borg, but then everything on Discovery looks/feels a lot more "advanced", that's just TV magic.

My prediction...

This AI almost achieves its end goal, but at the last moment the red angel shows up and somehow is able to trick the AI and switch places with it.

The time crystal pulls the AI into the far future (+950 years, deep space, away from Earth) where it's either trapped in the dead timeline, OR it ends up in the ST:TNG timeline and thus The Borg is born.

At some point the AI will take all of Section 31's ships and compress them into cubes.

Only thing I'm hoping for now, is that Capt Pike can >avoid< his inevitable fate.

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Re: Discovery or Microsoft?
By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Tue Apr 09 2019 10:29 am

My prediction...

This AI almost achieves its end goal, but at the last moment the red angel shows up and somehow is able to trick the AI and switch places with it.

The time crystal pulls the AI into the far future (+950 years, deep space, away from Earth) where it's either trapped in the dead timeline, OR it ends up in the ST:TNG timeline and thus The Borg is born.

I had almost forgotten the time crystal thing.. I don't remember specifically where the time crystal has come in. All this time travel in the plot gets confusing sometimes, and it kinda reminds me of the temporal cold war, Crewman Daniels, & stuff along those lines they had in Star Trek: Enterprise.

Nightfox

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